we are guilty of dumb rugby and poor decision making,for eg four good tackles and then we try a spear tackle,free kick ,try.last tackle we have managed to pull their defence to mid field so a kick across their line was a perfect option,we kick hard and low to the short side corner,no chance of a score or a mistake from them.then theres our coach 3mins to halftime he subs hill and puts on hobbs? for 3 mins why ,surely that is a waste of a substitution.and hobbs gives them a free kick in front of sticks,brilliant.We are desperate for an on field general to help watto out,he again give everything and diserves a lot of credit.

oh yes i was i live very close though

Like Rennie said, on the occasions that we actually spread the ball about, we scored tries. Not rocket science, is it?

Far too many basic errors in attack and defence, and when on earth will our discipline show any signs of improvement?

Agree with every word of that

no line moving forward, no organisation.... some good individual moments...... will come right eventually...... but eventually may be too late

I also believe the No 10 (Stuart Dickens) did the full 80 minutes. How come he wasn't tired??!!

Personally thought we played well in first half even thought we should have gone in winning but as i said on another thread we seemed to self distuct as soon as they scored the first try in second half, then came to for last 10 mins, that game was there for the taking as i did'nt see anything special from Fev in fact we made them look good in second half. Why cant we play the full 80

I believe the penalty count was 6-5 for Fev' - so we can't blame that one. As for discipline with the ball - we probably created more chances tonight than in the previous half dozen games, but bombed most of them!

My observations, based both on tonight and what I've seen this season -

Mort - Vastly improved positional sense, solid in defence
Maden - Not quick enough for the wing, needs replacing
Reay - Flatters to deceive, does not look good enough
Rudd - Excellent tonight, needs a run in the team
Stanton - Should be the "go to" man in attack. Only genuine pace and criminally underused.
Donlan - Back to the centres please
Watson - Solid as ever, made to look ordinary at times by a lack of runners and support
Hobson - Liability. Time to move on
McConnell - Worthy of his place, solid performer
Morrison - Superb break in 2nd half, trier, not big enough at present
Hill - Quality forward, will surely leave before too long
Taylor - Too small for prop, too slow for back row. 100%er, but is he good enough?
Armistead - Too clever for this team by far.

Durbin - Good impact player
Meekin - Great prospect, very solid
Haggerty - Good game tonight, another for the future
Smith - Worked hard and worth a place in the 17

I feel the ones highlighted must have question marks against them.

Now the real problem - the coaching staff. Very poor in defence which in turn leads to ill-discipline. Looking totally devoid of any ideas with the ball in hand. The only times we moved the ball, we scored

It's noticeable when we receive the ball from a kick in open play the wingers immediately come infield to take the ball up - every time

It's admirable they are helping out the pack, however they are in field for most of the set. If we do spin the ball out wide there's not enough numbers. This can only be what they are instructed to do. Yet again, a dire second half performance. Makes you wonder what goes on at half time

On paper, that team should have been good enough to beat Fev, however they were workmanlike, well organised and played to the limit (a bit like Huddersfield).

If this continues, relegation is real possibility.

Durbin just didn't do anything for me tonight. Jock gives us a better distribution and is very strong in defence. Durbin should give us speed at the play the ball and more options as he should be unpredictable as he has been in previous games. Tonight he hardly ever scooted and took the line on and his distribution at times was poor. I do rate him and he is definately one of our most dangerous players but he HAS to scoot and ask questions of the defence in order to be most effective. Otherwise we would be better saving a substitution and leaving Jock on.

I was there tonight, and am halfway through the 2nd half on Sky plus. Its bloody awful.

Not usre if it makes a difference but can someone tell me who played at stand off and why we play 6 drives and a handover.

Thanks.

Here is a view from one biased Leyther.

Hobson had a bad game. Armistead looks busy but misses tackles too. Reay had a bad game and we dropped too many balls............again and gave away 2 many penalties.

The spear tacle effort from Reay annoyed me what made him think he could get away with that ?

We have played 4 games in a very short time and all against teams who will probably be in the top 5. Thats a fact.

NK is a good coach and I still think if we win 7 more games we,ll finish 6th.

We are a young side and the rest till our next game will do the players good.

Am I disappointed of course I am but Fev deserved it on the night.

We broke their line a couple of times in open play and with a bit of a rub of the green it could have been a lot better.

The return of Aaron Smith will improve this side.

Basically we are crap

We will either get better or we will get worse

The cub need close on to 3000 to make a profit well i,ll tell you this
Mr Boardmen you have fu---d this season up BIG STYLE
PEOPLE WILL NOT PAY TO WATCH RL OFF THAT STANDARD FOR
£16 THEY CAN GO TO LEIGH MINERS OR EAST FOR A COUPLE £
AND WATCH BETTER RL...............................
IT WILL TAKE SOME SERIOUS DOSH TO TURN THIS TEAM AROUND
STARTING FROM THE TOP WORKING DOWN TO COACHIN STAFF
AND PLAYERS.
LIKE MOST LEYTH FANS IVE BEEN TALKIN TOO LAST FEEW MONTHS
WE ARE ALL PI--ED OFF BIG STYLE..WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE START OF SOMETHING GREAT THIS SEASON BUT YOU LOT HAVE F---ED IT UP BIGGGGGGG STYLLLLLLLLLLE

This is what it cost me over Easter
WIDNES myself n Girlfriend == £50
BARROW .........................=== £45
If i,m shelling out that kinda dosh i want to watch a decent standard of RL

What's worse than crap?

Relegated

Wigan ?

Webster - been poor so will probably have to buck up his ideas or move on
Doran - on the evidence of the game against you, you can have him back, but as he spent his time point scoring, I doubt the others will want him
Varkulis - agreed
Hartley - actually still here but God knows why as he is always injured.

Goosed? No, but vast improvement needed. We are still second despite putting in one of the worst performances I've ever seen on Good Friday from a Widnes side.

As for last night, Fev just looked better balanced, bigger and better organised. Watson looks a shadow of his former self. The two who stood out were my namesake (No 14) and Stanton who was outstading. But it isn't quite as black as you are painting. Morrison,Hill, Armistead are all good players and Donlan (played in the centres, what was Ned up to there??). This division is close and though Fax, Fev and Barrow look the likely winners so far, none of them have big squads and when injuries come, you have to wonder if they can maintain the good form. Leigh will make the play-offs.

Wasn't one of Yorky boys quotes when he arrived here 'Losing so many games at the start of the season isn't the standard that Leigh should be achieving' (or was there some poetic licence in that??) well Mr Kelly we have lost more at this ime of the season that we did last so???????

I'm sure Arthur would get rid but it would cost in the region of £70K so we're stuck with the pratt, move him 'upstairs' Arthur give young Rolley his chance, Kelly has had the same budget as Shaw had last year (well documented) but has proved he cant handle it, move him out of harms way and fast.

As for Benson he was given the biggest budget since Abram was in SL (and before that) and he couldn't drive a coach never mind be one, Heath and Basil (when he was there) did all the work, talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk.

be a negative thing to do, as is well known, senoir players elsewhere wont come and play for him

easy to see whats wrong,its your forwards mainly but what have you done to Donlan he didnt look interested.Watson and Mort gave 100% cant say that about the rest probaly Stanton apart.

Donlan should NOT have played he was injured