Football clus do get a hell of alot of money from TV company deals,someone has to pay it.

Hardly!

United are probably one of the biggest names in football if not the biggest, my girlfriend was driving accross america years ago with the family and in the middle of no-where they got asked where they were from, when they answered Manchester the yank replied hey manchester united!

Liverpool may have won more European cups and league titles (for now

) but United are certainly more well known world wide!

Work colleague of mine was in NY a few weeks back, and was talking to American over there and Manchester was mentioned and he got the question City or United ? He was buzzing . Not "Oh Manchester United" as it was not long back. Not a single major trophy won and we are famous


Utd are more famous than Red Scousers, but success isn't the main reason because it was the same in 80's when Red Scousers where top dog and Man U was just mediocre signing Terry Gibson type players

Unfortunately when I was out in Morocco when telling people I came from a town near Manchester I always got the reply " aahhh Manchester United" to which I always replied " who are they" and my son would reply "exactly". This always made us titter and then we would explain that there was only one team in Manchester which was City. Mohammedia soon got to know about Man City. I do hope the City shirt, Leigh Centurions shirt and baseball cap are still hanging up in Monicas Bar.

CITYS GOIN DOWN WITH A BILLION IN THE BANK, A BILLION IN THE BANK, A BILLION IN THE BANK!!!

There's only 1 european trophy & its in our trophy cabinet!!!

UTD UTD UTD!!!!

Apart from BWFC's large contingent of Japanese season ticket holders, post-Nakata, you mean?

Cant believe you Utd fans are getting drawn into an argument with dumb bin dippers

Funny that because on most National Radio shows most Liverpool fans who come on don't have scouse accents,all glory hunters from the 70s and 80s.


By the way I hate Man Utd being an ardent City fan,so my comments are not biased.

Good result btw for City last night. Could be 2 Euro trophies in manchester this season!!!

Same old Liverpool fans always living in the past

Not a Liverpool fan Mutt........just another "ABU" who knows that the history of sport did not begin with SKY TV!!

Aaaah I see , you didnt check the scores or see the games then ???

INTER MILAN (0) MAN UTD (0) No goals scored in this match



REAL MADRID (0) LIVERPOOL (1) 1 Goal scored in this match



Big n daft yes , idiot No

As I said earleir someone team could have overtaken them if they didnt get us all banned from Europe for years.

Think you'll find that was caused by a moronic element of the fanbase, poor crowd management by the Belgian Police, and a stadium that was both out-moded and inadequate for such a prestige event - hardly fair to blame Liverpool Football Club for the events at Hysel !!

Anyway - don't think there was much danger of United missing out on anything (apart from '86 Cup Winners Cup) - they didn't start winning the league until after the ban was lifted!!

The clubs that really could feel aggrieved were:

Everton - who would have been a 'shoe in' for European Cup in '86, and maybe '88.
Arsenal - missed out on European Cup, Uefa Cup, and Cup Winners Cup opportunities while the ban was in place
Wimbledon, Coventry, Norwich, Luton, & Oxford - 'Cinderella' clubs who all missed out on the opportunity to play in Europe.

I've spoke about this with mates (some liverpool fans) many times and it'd have been interesting what we could have won in the early 90's if we didn't have the import rules at the time. I rememeber the "three foreigners rule" which ment we had to pick three from the likes of Peter Schmeichel, Denis Irwin, Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, and Andrei Kanckelskis who were 5 of our most important players at the time we were dominating our domestic league who never really got the chance to compete together in europe. Move forward 10-12 years and Liverpool only had 3 british players in there 16 man squad when they won it in 2005 and they had to reley heavely on non English players in the 70's-80's.

As for the events at Hysel it was the Liverpool fans who charged at the Juve fans with metal bars not the police which lead to the wall to colapse (gonna open a can of worms here) same as at Hillsborough in 1989 when 3000 fans turned up without tickets and forced there way into the stadium grounds forcing the police to open a gate at the Leaping lane end of the ground to prevent injurys being caused by the crush outside the ground, yes there were things the police could have done by opening other gates to spread the crowd around the ground but hindsights a wonderfull thing. Then we move onto 2006-07 when Liverpool fans were beaten up and robbed in the streets for there tickets and i rememeber reading in the papers about fans being taken to hospital after being crushed at turnstyles by fans pushing there way into the stadium without tickets which again the police were blamed by the fans. Surly at somepoint they will have take a step back and start taking some of the blame.

So did Utd only have the limit on foreign players. Did not know that, so you make fair point



The rest of your post is just cr@p mate. Hillsborough was a terrible day for football/sport - don't like the red scousers myself but I do remember the Kippax putting rivalry to one side by singing "Walk alone" in great voice in rembering what happened at home game after it. Fans travel in their thousands to big events without tickets now - difference is the police are organised and prepared unlike Hillsborough
Heysal was also cr@p what you say. Its up to the police to make such events safe from the the small minority idiots.

No but in the early 90's the English game was still recovering from the european ban whereas the Italian,Spanish etc players were getting better every season simply by playing at a higher standard every season and also making the extra money and being able to pay the top wages to the top players to make them great teams. It's only since SKY tv and the influx of foregin players to the premiership the standard has risen, i mean how many truly world class English players are around atm? If you were a good player in England in the 80's or early 90's you went to Italy or Spain (wilkins, Gazza, Platt, Keegan, Hughes) where you could earn the big money. Just as if your a good player thesedays you come and play in the premier league (Ronaldo, Drogba, Torres etc)

As i said it'll open a can of worms and agree it was a dark dark day for football but would Hillsbrough have happend if only fans with tickets turned up to the game? The police did what they thought was best at the time for the fans outside of the ground who were being crushed.

As for Heysel i watched a documentry about the disaster and although the Juventus fans wern't entierly blameless the Liverpool fans were acting like animals. It all started when a friendly game was played before the final by two Belgian teams were both clubs colours and the red team were winning 3-0 to which the Liverpool fans started celebrating by goading the Juve fans to which they inturn started to throw missles (bits of terracing) at each other across the police cordon. Again the Liverpool end was very overcrowded because of the ammount of people without tickets and drunk fans which caused arguing and fighting amognst Liverpool fans which started to spread untill they charged the fence sperating the fans and police line. It also happend that the tempory TV studio was behind the Liverpool fans this is where they got the metal poles (scaffolding bars) which had been left under the studio building (it's also claimed there was a gun involved). So all in all the Juve fans were acting like idiots in a decrept stadium but the Liverpool fans took it too far by using weapons which resulted in 39 dead and 600 injured.

Still think you are wrong and what you post seems to be fueled by hatred. Most of what you describe happens even nowadays but you don't hear about it because sport is policed a lot better (in this country anyways).
Mindless drunken idiots do spoil things for the majority.

As for Europe - in 80's and 90's it wasn't such a money machine for the top clubs. For example under same rules that Liverpool won their Euro cups, Utd would have won none. Utd would not have qualified as champions. It was also knockout comp from outset instead of 2nd 3rd chances big clubs get now with silly league format at start. Thats what is the big joke about Euro comp nowadays - its all a money making exercise for top name clubs.
In 80's 90's you could say football not having a tv contract for some of seasons contributed to players going abroad (and even Scotland for goodness sake

). The image of football was poor too, because of trouble makers (at most clubs not just scousers before you start

)

I wouldn't say it fueled by hatred i just think that blaming the police everytime something happens in bull$*** one of the lads killed at Hillsbrough was from Leigh and was mates with my dad but his family accepted what happend and don't agree with the witch hunt that happend towards the police. I'll admit i'm no fan of the bin dippers but i've made my veiws from the facts i've seen on various programes over the years.

I know what your saying but you have to admit you get better the higher the level your playing which is why most leagues overtook by the start of the 90's. Mark hughes was earning £300 a week when at Manchester united he signed for Barcelona in 86 and they payed him 10 times that ammount. Gary Lineker was another who went at the same time the reasons they gave was that the clubs could pay the higher wages because they were playing in Europe every season.

According to your logic, because sporting events are better organised now and problems are few - then fans going to away games with no tickets are going to cause problems like Hillsborough. Liverpool fans went to the game to see their club play anyway they could. Just like City fans climbed over fencing at Springfield Park in play off game. Crushing their fellow friends and fans was not on their minds as you put it. Its up to the organisers and police to stop people getting hurt when large volume of people are attending an event like they do now. I remember being locked in a cage in 80's at OT when we visited (real nice) - it just wouldn't happen nowadays.

Its 30mill for finishing last in Prem, and clubs get another 500,000 for every place they move up the league. This is even b4 merchandise, sponsors and speccies are taken into account. If a club gets top 4, its another 10mill for just qualifying (because of silly 2nd 3rd chance league). Its a different world compared to 80's when football was on the slide in this country. But as a Blue, european football has rarely interested me anyways

. What happened at Heysel was an accumulative of English football hooligans, and last straw happened there. Otherwise it would have just been Liverpool banned.

I know.

Can we change the thread title to "Thanks Boro" now

ROFL