indeed it will sir a half a gallon

I also have been impressed with Trevor's commitment to the Centurions.He is working extremely hard on all fronts to get the club into shape and all true fans MUST rally behind his leadership

Here Here , im a cake fan , love all cakes ,Angel cake , Chocolate cake , Cream cake , good on yer , we need more Cake Makers , you sir are a Diamond , Chubby Brown used to say , show me a cake maker and i will hug the man , cake maker should be knighted .

Trevor was clapping the late arrivals in at Fev last week.

Good to see the original poster is a little lonely on this subject.
I have to say my thoughts where similar after the game about where does the money come from now season is over until friendlies kick in etc. That was a big payout we have missed out on.
I bet the Warrington pub landlords are gutted that we won't be there on GF day

I am gutted it's Frank's round.



On a serious not, i think Trevor has done a brilliant job, and i would like to thank him.

What happened to everyone not going and donating their ticket money to the club?

Out of interest I'm struggling to understand how we would have earned 75k for getting to the final

That was the prize money for winning it I think.

At the LISA meeting Trevor said if we reach the final we get £30000 for just being there.

Given the desperate state of our clubs finances that might account for his disappointment after the match on Thursday. I know how bad I felt and I am sure he is just as passionate about our club as I am.

i was not at the after match speeches, however i think people have to be prepared to accept that sometimes in sport as in life, you don't always get what you want, all you can do is be a man about it, and endevour to do your best and improve next time, simple as that.

£75k for winning it, though obviously a certain chunk of that would be lost in bonuses.

At the LISA meetiing Trevor stated that they were currently working on budgets for next season, losing Thursdays knocked 30k off it as that was the least we would come away with from the GF

surely the club can only work out budgets on guarenteed incomes and not on what might or might not be.

Prize money and ticket sales, Ste.

That's right, j.c. Any prize/ticket moeny would have helped big time, to reduce a deficit this season though.

Well if that was the case they could not include gate receipts cos they don't know what the attendances will be.

i think an educated guess at our average attendances next season would 2000 spectators and going off this season 800 of those would be season ticket holders.if the club can steady its self and give itself the opportunity of winning trophies again then i personally think our home support will rise again.

Unless everyone cancels there DDs then LISA can guarentee what it can contribute ,the same with the lottery and the CC.sponsorships should be guarenteed.
if Ainscough does come in and sponsors the player pathways,will that free up some more money?.

Thinking about it, no one asked us for the yearly figures of dd from LISA surely they would need this to work out their budget, rest of LISA income isn't is not a given amount , as the coach, forcast and poker all raise different amounts each week, however the coaches will have been over 1500, the poker well over 1000 , not so sure about the forcast, then we have had the \play, dvd sales. Then also we have the Hankies by Stephen Morris and the Rosettes by Sharon Dillion.
At the meeting it was said that LISA had given the club 10000 so far this season, and we still have money in the bank.

Thats why i never mention any of the events people hold to raise money for LISA,because its not guarenteed income unlike DDs.

Will that 10 thou be from subscriptions or from other sources as well?

Well I am not treasurer but currently there are 367 members so at £5 per month that's just over £20k per annum.

Some members stump up more' but to really help our club if we could get membership up to 1500 then we could contribute £90k per annum which would be a great help.

It is at times like these that those fans who can afford too and are not members should join.

More members better players. Good results bring better attendances. QED.

The weird thing when looking at slary limits etc, this is exactly what a club must budget for to satisfy the RFL, otherwise you end up in a situation like happened in 2010 and got us this year with the point deduction.

In the past the club has been able to ' gamble ' on prize money , extra tickets sales via making NRC knock out/ play off matches because there was somebody willing to make up the shortfall if we didn't

That has now changed

But ultimately it is our fan base that decides where our club stands financially

The aim has to be to get to a break even figure without any donations

Not easy , but if you don't try , to don't succeed

Well, you might think that would the sensible thing to do, but there are problems.
How do you decide what your 'guaranteed' income is? If the team makes a losing start and crowds go down...how do you budget for that? The 'guaranteed' income could be so low that if you budget with that, you cant afford the team needed to be competitive and the spiral is downwards.

Second, you cant assume that your expenditure is fixed for the year. Crowds go up and down. This year, for example, the winning bonus payments are larger because the team did really well. Trevor Barton stated that they budget for losing 5 games in the league, which would seem reasonable at the beginning of the season.

Its a really tough commercial nut to crack and getting it wrong either way can be costly.

Commercially your right Paul but on the salary cap 'front' if your projected income isn't going to happen because of a variety of reasons - loss of form etc... then if you inform the RFL then they understand or if your reasons are valid then, like us last year they are more lenient.