With the notable exception of last year we have had a dire record in play off football since we came down from Super League. You would have thought that lessons would have been learned from that by now!

And the play-offs didn't really 'count' last year, as the prize money was awarded on league positions, Brian!

I think it's all going wrong at the " SECOND STANZA".

Plan B doesn't have to be a radical change. I am not talking about PR saying "OK STOP! Let's go to Plan B now!!"

I am talking about something along the lines of what Alan is saying. The way Leigh play at the moment is all fine and dandy when the players are confident and all the moves are coming off, but when the moves fail, amd we're dishing up easy possession in our own 20, we're putting ourselves under ridiculous pressure. And any defence in RL will crack when put in that situation too often.

Put it this way, the way we've played this season has obliterated the Championship and caught out some SL sides in the cup. But when we've been up against better opponents and our expansive style hasn't come off, we've been found wanting, battered and the confidence has drained away.

WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE for when we need to dig deep.


(And to all you muppets that criticise Plan A and B or whatever - f*ck you!

This forum is getting on my tits these days. It's like being back at school.)

Players just need to show more composure. You can get away with slack play and dodgy offloads more easily in the championship but try it agaist SL opposition and you can get stuffed. We certainly found that out.

Playing expansive is fine once you've "earnt the right" and Leigh did in most championship games. Against better quality tesms you have to put them under pressure and throwing hail mary passes won't do that.

We can blame plan a or not having a plan b but at the end of the day these players are full time professionals who should be able to know when its the time button down the hatches and grind a win out,does anyone really think Kevin Singfield gets told when to close a game down or kick the ball in touch to give his players a breather no he does it off his own back because its called game management and I think the players have to take the blame when we're winning with 10 points with 2 mins of the half left and they try a stupid pass instead of 5 drives and a kick

I'm not so sure that this is about being 'found out' by super league teams, as has been suggested elsewhere. The warning signs were there several games before the end of the regular season; we weren't playing particularly well. Key players lost form and the Warrington game, in particular, was something I don't think we recovered from. I'm not sure why. The pressure was building on the club as the hype intensified. This happens in football all the time when good cup runs are followed by poor performances. When the wheel comes off, everyone panics. The lack of confidence at the recent Halifax game was felt by everyone, I'm sure.

I didn't realise only your opinion counted. Did you know that abuse is a sign of a lost argument?

Well with beswick and barlow leaving, there are two plan b options that weren't really utilised in the qualifiers.

Where are they off? Both would be good signings for a team like Dewsbury and could help them push for top 4.

I'm not arguing. I am making a clear statement to whoever it concerns.

And that's me done now.

To be fair on what I've seen this year I'd have Beswick back.

He's been a natural leader all season, often playing 80 minutes, and constantly enthusing his team mates. He's stood in as a half back, and even prop, when the situation demanded it. Coincidentally, our play-off 'performances' also coincided with a significant decrease in the time Bob has spent on the pitch. I for one would much rather he was on our team, than playing against us!

I agree, Higham always looked busier from acting halfback but Beswick was always more likely to look to bring team mates into the game. He could also spot the killer pass as he did to put Higson in on Saturday. Letting him go would be a big mistake.

100% agree with above post, Bob has had a great season and I'd keep hold of him, fantastic player to have in any team.

Bob's business is taking off in Wigan. He'll either go part time next season (Swinton are sniffing) or retire. Shame, he's been a good un for us.

Shame indeed, seemed to carry the team at times this season.

Think a similar reason may see Barlow at Fax next season

Will be sad too see both go especially Barlow! Beswick was immense at times but higham is a better option for me and Bob isn't gonna get the log minutes! Barlow is a real annoyance for me all the skill in the world but it's a job getting him on the bloody pitch I'll really miss him if he goes! What an exciting time be a Leigh fan though with all the speculation and being linked with top super league names!

You get excited by speculation then? Good on you, you've put your failure in the qualifiers behind you and now before your last match are already looking forward to the promise of 2016. You sound just like a Hull FC fan. Next season will be better as we are signing better players. Next year will be our year.

Just out of interest....do "top" Super League players play for "top" clubs or do the players at the bottom feeder clubs also claim the title. Just asking like for when other clubs announce their signings. I presume the recent acquisition by Fax is a top player for instance.

Should we just dread next season, and claim to enjoy the football instead?

We need to stop being vocally happy about our team entertaining us and making efforts to get better. We should doff our caps and quieten down we're clearly upsetting some sensitive fans of other clubs.

On the plus side, our recent drop in form has delighted some more than if their own team won the world club challenge, so hi-ho silver lining n all that.

I have loved this season and my missus who has never been too a rugby match in her life has missed 1 game and my little girl who is 3 as been every home game! This club is going somewhere and that's all that matters too me

He could be, if he's ever able to get back on the pitch! Still a lot of uncertainty about that, if we are to believe what Tony Smith is saying about him.