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| Quote ="TV BOY"Read them all Lynda. I didn't say they "are harmful to the club", I said they could become more harmful to the club than the comments about a song sheet that was erased. But I would say that the one about RP unless correct or even if it is correct is harmful.'"
That is why when I spoke to Rob about something unrelated I took the opportunity to ask him if it was true , it is not, also another poster also stated said it was not true
Don't worry anyt posts that are not acceptable will be removed if necessary . Thats a promise.
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| John roddy has gone the club has told us why move on nothing more to say...
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| Quote ="old tony"John roddy has gone the club has told us why move on nothing more to say...'"
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| Good luck John and thanks for everything
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| Quote ="old tony"John roddy has gone the club has told us why move on nothing more to say...'"
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| What you tend to see is a cycle of a group of local businessmen gain control of a club ,then eventually one by one they leave either because they cannot manage the level of investement asked of them, or quite simply they get fed up of being outvoted on how the club should be run
So you then see one director gain control quite simply because he can afford it, then something will happen resulting in another group of businessmen coming in again , this has happened 3 times at Leigh in the last 20 years
If a seriously rich investor came through the door at Leigh, I would be very surprised if he was refused the opportunity to gain sole control
It isnt about the structure of the administration at any club, its about what they do, putting cash in is great, depending on what the money is spent on decides where you go from there on, just paying good wages to good players will work short term, but isnt sustainable, running a sports business is a lot more complicated than that
The above is a post I made on the Fax board last week in reponse to a claim that a member of the Leigh BOM had stated that the club would never again be under single person control, IMO the only way that could happen is for a new club/holding company to be set up with a constitution to that effect, essentially a supporters trust
If you dont have that, then what I posted above is enevitable, any consortium will always have a life span, by their very nature the type of people that will be in a position to join a clubs board will be used to getting their own way, once you join a group that will change for some
Sporting club administrations will consist of 2 types of person, those that are just happy to be involved with the board room culture and enjoy the inside knowledge and any reflective glory without really offering any drive, then there are those that are the ' drivers' with idea's on how they believe the club should move forward
You can have as many of the former as you can fit round the table ( providing they pay for it ) , the latter however is different and eventually those whose idea's and opinions are not taken up will usually leave
As I said the only other option is a supporters trust type administration, which just doesnt work
I'll not comment further on this, there are some who have posted on this who really need to ask themselves some serious questions about why they are doing what they are doing, because they are not fooling anybody
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| Quote ="Starbug"What you tend to see is a cycle of a group of local businessmen gain control of a club ,then eventually one by one they leave either because they cannot manage the level of investement asked of them, or quite simply they get fed up of being outvoted on how the club should be run
So you then see one director gain control quite simply because he can afford it, then something will happen resulting in another group of businessmen coming in again , this has happened 3 times at Leigh in the last 20 years
If a seriously rich investor came through the door at Leigh, I would be very surprised if he was refused the opportunity to gain sole control
It isnt about the structure of the administration at any club, its about what they do, putting cash in is great, depending on what the money is spent on decides where you go from there on, just paying good wages to good players will work short term, but isnt sustainable, running a sports business is a lot more complicated than that
The above is a post I made on the Fax board last week in reponse to a claim that a member of the Leigh BOM had stated that the club would never again be under single person control, IMO the only way that could happen is for a new club/holding company to be set up with a constitution to that effect, essentially a supporters trust
If you dont have that, then what I posted above is enevitable, any consortium will always have a life span, by their very nature the type of people that will be in a position to join a clubs board will be used to getting their own way, once you join a group that will change for some
Sporting club administrations will consist of 2 types of person, those that are just happy to be involved with the board room culture and enjoy the inside knowledge and any reflective glory without really offering any drive, then there are those that are the ' drivers' with idea's on how they believe the club should move forward
You can have as many of the former as you can fit round the table ( providing they pay for it ) , the latter however is different and eventually those whose idea's and opinions are not taken up will usually leave
As I said the only other option is a supporters trust type administration, which just doesnt work
I'll not comment further on this, there are some who have posted on this who really need to ask themselves some serious questions about why they are doing what they are doing, because they are not fooling anybody'"
So what your saying in a round about way is that there is always going to be a shelf life for the BOM and that it is inevitable one person will seize control via the majority shares?
What happened to your shares Steve by the way?
Can't speak for anyone else but my motives have been documented on hear from day one since I started posting and before I joined the board but to clarify are to make sure as a club we are open, honest and transparent with our fans and to help safeguard the clubs long term future while making it the very best it can be!!!
I don't want to own the club and have no desires to run it on my own and I don't believe it would be right for any one person to do so, to prove this I would be happy to donate my shares to the fans and or LISA at some point in the none to distant future.
This policy has been a driving factor in reneging the public of leigh and getting the project moving but we have not yet achieved anything or won anything yet.
I strongly believe in this club, town and it's supporters and as such I don't intend to give in, but to work hard to keep everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
The ousting the old, and bringing in the new idea was mine and in mine and many people's opinions has been what has got us so far, in such a short space of time. By publicly speaking and being transparent it forces people less likely to do so to do the right thing. The journey is just beginning and must carry on.
The strength of our club lies absolutely in the strength, unity and vision of it's fans so I'd urge everyone to stay behind the team and the club, nothing to worry about and United we will succeed.
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Andy Mazey
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| Well said Andy ..
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| Hearing that puts my mind at ease for now thanks Andy keep up the good work
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| This appears to be a bit of a storm in a tea cup and I'm not sure why people are so worried about any alleged board room disagreement. I personally would be worried if the directors of any company all agreed on everything and every decision went through unanimously. Dissenting voices are extremely important.
Perhaps a fans forum needs to be held though to answer any queries or concerns people may have in order to keep the ball rolling. Whilst the directors are doing a brilliant job, it was always going to take a while for people to really buy into it after false promises etc of the past.
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| Quote ="SRW1996"So what your saying in a round about way is that there is always going to be a shelf life for the BOM and that it is inevitable one person will seize control via the majority shares?
What happened to your shares Steve by the way?
Can't speak for anyone else but my motives have been documented on hear from day one since I started posting and before I joined the board but to clarify are to make sure as a club we are open, honest and transparent with our fans and to help safeguard the clubs long term future while making it the very best it can be!!!
I don't want to own the club and have no desires to run it on my own and I don't believe it would be right for any one person to do so, to prove this I would be happy to donate my shares to the fans and or LISA at some point in the none to distant future.
This policy has been a driving factor in reneging the public of leigh and getting the project moving but we have not yet achieved anything or won anything yet.
I strongly believe in this club, town and it's supporters and as such I don't intend to give in, but to work hard to keep everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
The ousting the old, and bringing in the new idea was mine and in mine and many people's opinions has been what has got us so far, in such a short space of time. By publicly speaking and being transparent it forces people less likely to do so to do the right thing. The journey is just beginning and must carry on.
The strength of our club lies absolutely in the strength, unity and vision of it's fans so I'd urge everyone to stay behind the team and the club, nothing to worry about and United we will succeed.
Thanks
Andy Mazey'"
I'm so happy to read that post. I'm glad our club is still in safe hands.
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| Quote ="SRW1996"
I don't want to own the club and have no desires to run it on my own and I don't believe it would be right for any one person to do so, to prove this I would be happy to donate my shares to the fans and or LISA at some point in the none to distant future.
This policy has been a driving factor in reneging the public of leigh and getting the project moving but we have not yet achieved anything or won anything yet.
I strongly believe in this club, town and it's supporters and as such I don't intend to give in, but to work hard to keep everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
The ousting the old, and bringing in the new idea was mine and in mine and many people's opinions has been what has got us so far, in such a short space of time. By publicly speaking and being transparent it forces people less likely to do so to do the right thing. The journey is just beginning and must carry on.
Thanks
Andy Mazey'"
Sounds reassuring but is a tad contradictory. In one breath you're fighting to keep everyone on same page. And I the next giving your shares away.
You talk of ousting the old, yet the concerns are that it is the old ousting the new.
I completely agree with starbug. The starting structure of the bom has done well to last as long as it has and that unless you were all truly aligned it will all boil down to who has most brass (therefore votes) rather than ideology.
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| Quote ="SRW1996"So what your saying in a round about way is that there is always going to be a shelf life for the BOM and that it is inevitable one person will seize control via the majority shares?
What happened to your shares Steve by the way?
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Yes
I sold them to Dereck Beaumont for £ 21,000 less than I paid for them
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| Thank you John Roddy. We've never met but from what I read and hear you have done our great club proud.
Now I throw my support behind every member of our BOM and our great team.
I trust them all to continue to do what is needed to maintain the rise.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes
I sold them to Dereck Beaumont for £ 21,000 less than I paid for them'"
Did you get the financial commitment from him that you often said was a prerequisite for you to sell?
So what happened to the other shares? Does Allan Rowley still have his, and John Roddy? or is DB hoovering them up?
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| Quote ="waterfield's finest"Did you get the financial commitment from him that you often said was a prerequisite for you to sell?
So what happened to the other shares? Does Allan Rowley still have his, and John Roddy? or is DB hoovering them up?'"
You mean my 1 pence per share if the buyer commits to putting £ 25,000 per share into the club over 3 years offer from 2007 ?
No ,that ' offer ' was designed to smoke out the supposed ' heavy investors being refused entry to Sporting Club ' at that time
My shares, like everybodys were/are worthless, they are nothing more than a commitment to invest more in truth ,strangely the morning Dereck rang me I was walking the dog contemplating how I was going to obtain almost the exact amount I was offered to settle a debt that would allow me to continue in business, very ' spooky '
However, I would have sold them to any of the current BOM as they all in my opinion have the best wishes of the club at heart, you have to remember Sporting Club Leigh was originally set up to prevent a single individual gaining an overall majority
I have no doubt that once again my comments and opinions will be construed as bitterness and personal attacks on the current administration, nothing could be further from the truth , they are just observations, I think the BOM are doing a good job up to now, and hope that Johns decision to step down does not stop or slow down the good work being done
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes
I sold them to Dereck Beaumont for £ 21,000 less than I paid for them'"
Thanks for the honest reply Steve.
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| Steven Pyke you are a star and an enigma. Get your bloody down with us for the rest of the season.
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| Quote ="SRW1996"So what your saying in a round about way is that there is always going to be a shelf life for the BOM and that it is inevitable one person will seize control via the majority shares?
What happened to your shares Steve by the way?
Can't speak for anyone else but my motives have been documented on hear from day one since I started posting and before I joined the board but to clarify are to make sure as a club we are open, honest and transparent with our fans and to help safeguard the clubs long term future while making it the very best it can be!!!
I don't want to own the club and have no desires to run it on my own and I don't believe it would be right for any one person to do so, to prove this I would be happy to donate my shares to the fans and or LISA at some point in the none to distant future.
This policy has been a driving factor in reneging the public of leigh and getting the project moving but we have not yet achieved anything or won anything yet.
I strongly believe in this club, town and it's supporters and as such I don't intend to give in, but to work hard to keep everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
The ousting the old, and bringing in the new idea was mine and in mine and many people's opinions has been what has got us so far, in such a short space of time. By publicly speaking and being transparent it forces people less likely to do so to do the right thing. The journey is just beginning and must carry on.
The strength of our club lies absolutely in the strength, unity and vision of it's fans so I'd urge everyone to stay behind the team and the club, nothing to worry about and United we will succeed.
Thanks
Andy Mazey'"
Well said Andy.
Please keep up the good work =#FF0000[size=150together[/size. What you have achieved so far, and I'm not just talking about what has happened on the pitch, has been as a result of working brilliantly together and I dread the day that one person, however well-intentioned, takes control. Anyone attempting to do so would be well advised to reflect on what has been achieved as a result of teamwork, both on and off the pitch.
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| Well said, we are all in this together and there lies our strength.
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| The beginning of the end of the BOM in its "In it together" glory was revealed here. Actually it was apparent quite a lot earlier but this was when it was apparent. Played a shrewd game has DB it would seem.
Are we all still in this together?
Whatever happens, Andy Mazey's efforts to get a consortium together were immense and he's provided a professional face to the club and been a brilliant spokesperson. The fact that the remainder at the club hasn't been able to say so, and has instead resorted to petty changes to the program and negative publicity in twitter bodes ill for our future PR.
We might be doing a featherstone soon.
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| Quote ="waterfield's finest"The beginning of the end of the BOM in its "In it together" glory was revealed here. Actually it was apparent quite a lot earlier but this was when it was apparent. Played a shrewd game has DB it would seem.
Are we all still in this together?
Whatever happens, Andy Mazey's efforts to get a consortium together were immense and he's provided a professional face to the club and been a brilliant spokesperson. The fact that the remainder at the club hasn't been able to say so, and has instead resorted to petty changes to the program and negative publicity in twitter bodes ill for our future PR.
We might be doing a featherstone soon.'"
Hello again WF!
So what does Positivity Pete think of the fact that we won the league by 15 points, increased crowds massively, retained all our best players, are going full time next season and are just 80 minutes away from becoming the Champions?
Just curious... seeing as you haven't posted since the last time you thought things were going wrong
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| Quote ="Nozzy"Hello again WF!
So what does Positivity Pete think of the fact that we won the league by 15 points, increased crowds massively, retained all our best players, are going full time next season and are just 80 minutes away from becoming the Champions?
Just curious... seeing as you haven't posted since the last time you thought things were going wrong
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Post of the year this mate
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| Quote ="Nozzy"Hello again WF!
So what does Positivity Pete think of the fact that we won the league by 15 points, increased crowds massively, retained all our best players, are going full time next season and are just 80 minutes away from becoming the Champions?
Just curious... seeing as you haven't posted since the last time you thought things were going wrong
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FULLY AGREED NOZZY, searched 3 pages of 'Waterfields' posts, nothing positive whatsoever. When you think about what an incredible season that we have had....WF is either a Wig@n fan, or just a to0l.
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| Quite right Keith.
I cant understand were people are getting that this changes anything.........
Michael Norris runs a tight ship and he will make sure will do not spend what we don't have, anyway let the board deal with that .
We still have lot s of ex directors, chairmen even watching Leigh still, so lets but this to bed and get on with looking forward to hopefully becoming champions again on Sunday .
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