Ive used a Canon XM2 and they are a cracking camcorder very nearly broadcast quality, I think Stu who does Warrington and Widnes has a matched pair of 100's and they are the dogs doodas and are used a lot by broadcasting companies now because of their lightweight and good pic quality, but at £2.5K each a bit too rich for me, the one Im using now A jvc bought by Trevor Barton is a fantastic camera but not as good (though a lot smaller) than the 100.

It would appear your in the minority though Frank

would it not be more pertinant to ask why LISA want board representation?

I'll give you a clue

Premier sports want us to do our own broadcasting

well I've the best commentary team in the business just need a good cameraman now

What do they charge ? , and if commentating on Leigh , can they be a bit more biased

why, you already have the referees on your side ?

hands off they are mine

as for referees you obviously didnt watch our last game

Ok , so how much do you charge for them ?

you cant afford the best Steve



Your not wrong but thing is J.C. your question requires more than a YES or NO, which for a straight vote the one I wrote is simpler (isn't it?), yours is a debating point for a meeting, but TBH it doesn't concern me as I'm not a voting member I'm just offering advice on an open forum.

Well I still think the vast majority reading this thread will see this issue is of absolutely no use whatsoever to the functioning of LISA or the club.

I still want to know why having a LISA member on the board helps and yet here we are having a discussion about wasting LISA money just so folk will eventually realise that.

OK this is my opinion and therefore someone come forward' with a good reason as to why I should change my view.

Hard to argue with that fred other that to say 99.9% will vote yes because it sounds good', not because they know whats going on

Seems to me that the offer of a place on the Board may be as an 'observer', rather than an active member. I suppose this would guarantee transparency to the fans, through LISA.

Of course, if you believe, like I do, that the current board members are being 'transparent' through events such as Fans' Forums, LISA Meetings, etc. then the offer of a place on the Board is superfluous.

Personally, first I would ask the Board exactly what they would expect from a LISA representative, and then ask the question 'Do we need a person on the Board?' If the answer is 'yes' then look for nominations and vote on them.

Frank - although I understand your concerns re: expense, and I would also question the value of the INDEPENDENT supporters association having board membership, you have to accept that the views of twenty or thirty people on here (many of whom, like me, are not LISA members) means nothing. The 4-5 hundred members of LISA are the only one who can decide on what LISA does about this offer, and as this is a decision that could impact the future of LISA (both in membership numbers, and 'mission'), it would only be fair to afford ALL LISA members the opportunity to express their view - be that in person, or by postal ballot. Either way would be the price of a mailshot, as you could either invite the entire membership to an EGM, or enclose a ballot form (but no SAE.....if they understand the cost of the exercise to LISA, they'll pay their own postage!!). That way, the democratic process is served. As regards the nature of the discussion, or the format of the ballot paper, that again could prove a political mine-field, so the best of luck to whoever sorts that out!!

My two pennerth (as a non member) - LISA must remain an INDEPENDENT body.

Thank you Alan Im slowly losing to will to go on and Im very serious about this
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BTW Did anyone hear Phil Coffey say that he used to be chairman of LISA and he became a Director and was still chairman of LISA and it did LISA no harm whatsoever.
I dont think they actually are asking us to become an active director.
AS Alan says provide the fans with the transparency some seem to think we should have. AS for the LISA meetings the LISA director would have to sign a disclaimer to say that certain info was confidentual and the members would have to accept that only certain info their director would be able to disclose.

My memory aint what it used to be, but I think Phil originally attended Board Meetings as a represenative of LISA. (ironically) However, I believe there were occasions when he had to get out of the meetings when 'sensitive' issues were discussed. I assume that would still apply?

Personally, I believe that the Board are making this offer - (a) in recognition of LISA's enormous financial contribution, over the years and (b) in an effort to provide more transparency to the fans, through LISA. Let's not get hung up over the technical ramifications of this, when there probably aren't any. At the end of the day, for me it's a matter of whether the supporters believe there should be even more transparency to the Club's dealings. Personally, I don't think we need more transparency, but others may well disagree.

Having a member at board meetings isn't new and I thought it still happened

Having done it I can confirm that sensitive issues were rightfully discussed in my absence and that I hadn't a clue what the financial reality was.
This should be about recognising LISA's ongoing contributions by issuing a share upon receipt of the first £20k, that share guarantees things and promotes the concepts of partnership, transparency and unity going forward.
Being a shareholder doesn't compromise independence, and will start to unite the latent fan base behind a transparent future.
What has the club got to lose?

Frank, long time no speak, i am still a lisa member but find it very hard to get to Leigh after work of a night or for the last couple of years even get to a game. I am though still a fan and want the best for our club. The offer from the BOD seems a good one and an important one, i have read and respect your views regarding the expense of a postal vote and your correct in my opinion that the expense of a postal vote is one LISA could do without. However LISA has a duty to it's members to notify them of any significant decisions that the association needs to make. You and i don't know if we have a LISA member who has very good marketing or advertising contacts and could bring that experience to the board room and i think a postal vote would also clarify what is involved with being a LISA rep on the board. You think it is a bad idea and i won't try and make you change your mind , all i can do is tell you why i think it is necessary.

Here's my two'pennorth worth. I don't ever remember a time when things were so transparent and I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up about it.

When was the last time anyone could attend a Fans Forum and get every single question answered? When was the last time anyone could join one of the many PSG's and get involved with the club should they wish to? When was the last time anyone could email the Chief Exec about a query and get a reply?

I don't think we've ever had this level of openness and I'd like to bet there's no other club being run as efficiently as ours at this moment in time.

One of the problems is,if coffee and freer make a decision and the LISA rep reluctantly goes along with it, then IMO LISAs independence has been compromised and that will do damage to both the club and LISA

history tells us this happens everytime we have hit the abyss, then it disappears over time. A shareholding changes that. What has the club got to lose by selling a share to LISA for the first £20k they put in this year??

Well supposing the representative was just there as an observer who didn't have any say in making decisions? That way they couldn't be compromised because they haven't had any say but will still be there 'overseeing'.

That seems like the best option to me anyway.

I suppose its a compromise of sorts.
With everything iv'e read so far i'm with the posters known as starbug and maurice

Do you seriously think that the current shareholders on the Board, were afforded that luxury during the last regime?