The link in my post above does not seem to work.
You can get to the document by googling, IMG RFL Handbook

Did IMG publish a breakdown of the scores? I have not got the time to do IMG's job for them, but would like to know where Leigh can improve.

Having finally got a team that compete on the field it would be upsetting to be relegated because there is not enough Tik-Tok content.

I have only managed to find Bradford's scorecard, because they are trying to beat the council over the head to get better facilities.

Bradford scored a total of 12.02 points, ranking them as a high Grade B and they’ve now confirmed their scores in each respective pillar.

Performance – 2.17 points from 5 – 43%
Fandom – 3.95 points from 5 – 79%
Finances – 2.75 from 4.5 – 61%
Stadium – 0.89 from 3 – 30%
Community – 2.25 from 2.5 – 90%

Not sure how they scored any points for Stadium.

Salford's scorecard which is ideally were Leigh need to target are:

Performance – 3.43 points from 5
Fandom – 4.15 points from 5
Finances – 2.15 from 4.5
Stadium – 1.83 from 3
Community – 2.25 from 2.5

If the scores are with the clubs, there is little chance of Derek releasing them to the general public, so much for transparency.

Now, now, Sev; you can't 'alf be a grumpy little sausage at times!



How about asking nicely:

Please, Mr Beaumont, after all that you have done for our club (for which we are most grateful), please could we view the full breakdown of the IMG gradings (including on the sub-sections) that we as loyal fans might see how we may further do OUR bit for the greater glory of Leigh Leopards.

Thank you in anticipation,

Name & Address supplied.

Bongser would love to see the same from Salford as some (not all) of those scores wrinkle his brow.

In all honesty, I think as a club, we have fulfilled quite a lot of expectancy in rugby league to dine at the top table. I also think that the silence from the club shows this, and it seems (at the moment) that Degsey isn't perturbed by this circus from the clowns at IMG.

do we possibly lose partial point because we are one of two teams in our borough french aint

we would possibly lose portion on performance over last 3 years community another one? fines? non centralised turnover
what is the big number?

Mr Mills, good evening, hope you are well?

Kindly rephrase those questions that Bongser may grasp them.

Not TTP just struggling to understand your post - unusually as they are normally clear.

With the absence of any concrete figures for the Leigh Leopards, I thought that I would delve into the B rankings and see what I could find.

There are 7 A rated clubs, so from a Leigh perspective we can ignore them, because under the mock exams they all passed and are therefore exempt from relegation. 8-14 is were the real action is happening and there is a natural gap between these 7 groups and Featherstone and Widnes. Castleford have now had a recount approved, pushing Leigh into the relegation zone.

8. Salford Red Devils – B – 13.80 – Super League
9. Huddersfield Giants – B – 13.49 – Super League
10. Toulouse Olympique – B – 12.97 – Championship
11. Castleford Tigers – B – 12.91 – Super League
12. Wakefield Trinity – B – 12.52 – Championship
13. Leigh Leopards – B – 12.45 – Super League
14. Bradford Bulls – B – 12.02 – Championship

Previously mentioned are the results for Salford and Bradford, which give a reasonable indication of where the points were gained and lost. Leigh are more similar to Salford than Bradford so I will concentrate on their figures.
Salford's scorecard:

Performance – 3.43 points from 5
Fandom – 4.15 points from 5
Finances – 2.15 from 4.5
Stadium – 1.83 from 3
Community – 2.25 from 2.5

Performance – Max Points - 5
Each season all clubs in Tiers 1-3 (Men’s only) are ranked 1-36 based on their final league positions each season i.e. after all matches have been played in each season.
The season league rankings are calculated over the last three seasons
2023 – Salford 7th (3.3333) – Leigh 5th + Challenge Cup (3.5556) + (0.25) = (3.8056)
2022 – Salford 6th (3.4444) – Leigh 13th (2.6667)
2021 – Salford 11th (2.8889) – Leigh 12th (2.777icon_cool.gif
Average Score: Salford - 3.2222 (Actual Salford score 3.43) Leigh - 3.0833 or (3.000 + 025) – (3.2500) Depending on whether the Challenge Cup is averaged over 3 years or not.
Roughly speaking performance over the 3 years Salford are 7th and Leigh 11th.

Fandom – Max Points – 5
Attendance – Average over the last 3 years

2023 achieved 8th spot in the average attendance for the season, including a new record against Wigan (sell out) stadium restricted with the stage for bands.
8. Leigh Leopards – 7,254; Highest: 10,308 v Wigan (R27); Lowest: 5,423 v Castleford (R11)

Salford – 3 years in Super league >3000 – worth 2 points
Leigh – 2 years in Super League >3000 – worth 2 points

Viewership – Average over the last 3 years - >150K = 1 and <150K = 0.75
Salford – 1 point
Leigh – 0.75

Digital – Social Following – Website Visits – Total Engagements
Maximum score – 1.5 and minimum score – 0.33
Salford scored 1.15
Leigh – best guess 0.625

Totals
Salford 4.15
Leigh – 3.375

Finances – 4.5 (Overall Weighting 22.5%) – 3 year average
Absolutely no idea, but as an outsider Salford are a community club with no debts and no money (selling club) Leigh have a benefactor but no stability outside of the owner.
Maximum score 4.5 and minimum 1.40
Salford scored 2.15
Leigh probably scored around the same 2.15

Stadium – 3 (Overall Weighting 15%)
Facilities – 1.5
Salford 1.5
Leigh 1.5
Utilisation – 1
Salford - 0.2
Leigh - 0.2
Primacy of Tenure – 0.25
Salford 0
Leigh - 0
LED – 0.125
Salford - 0.125
Leigh - 0.125
Big Screen – 0.125
Salford - 0.125
Leigh - 0.125

Salford scored 1.83
Leigh best guess 1.83

Community 2.5 (Overall Weighting 15%)
Catchment – 1.5
Salford – 1.5
Leigh – 1

Foundation – 1
Salford – 0.75
Leigh – 0.75

Salford – 2.25
Leigh – 2.0

Summary

This is a best guess as to how the points are distributed. Some fields are nailed on certainties and others are comparisons to Salford and an attempt to reach the final scores published

Salford Leigh
Performance 3.43 3.1
Fandom 4.15 3.375
Finances 2.15 2.15
Stadium 1.83 1.83
Community 2.25 2
13.81 12.455

In my opinion a good season in 2024 will raise the score, but we lose 0.25 unless Leigh can win the Challenge Cup again.

There are no addition points to be gained from Stadium and Community, so the big areas of gain must come from Fandom and Finances. There are 0.5 points available if the Average attendance is >7500 but that is unlikely due to 1 of the years being in the championship.

Gains can be made from improving merchandising and hopefully Patrick is a step in the right direction and the website is now able to accommodate E-commerce. Stories abound of people being unable to buy replica shirts and around the time of Challenge Cup the stall on the market was an empty cupboard.

The biggest single area of improvement is Digital Scoring. This does not appear to have a 3 year average. This means that improvements in the next 12 months will have a direct impact. A possible 0.9 is available if the digital team can start to develop some content across Facebook, Instagram and the Leopards website.

Did you have the day off today, Sep? Bongser did not - and missed the Second Test as a result (dead rubber coming up, hope Wane bloods Mulhern).

Day off tomorrow during which Bongser will try to assimilate your thunkings - for tonight we drink!

From TRL just to save using up your searches for the week -
IN case you had been living under a rock, you will have realised that IMG released their provisional grades for all 36 professional clubs.
From Leeds Rhinos right down to the North Wales Crusaders, 36 clubs were placed in a table with points calculated from five different categories – fandom (5), performance (5), finance (4.5), stadium (3) and community (2.5).
Whilst the overwhelming majority of clubs decided not to broadcast the breakdown of those IMG points – which saw all 36 clubs scored out of 20 – a number of them did. Here are those:
Barrow Raiders – 19th – 9.18 points
Performance – 1.48/5
Fandom – 3.25/5
Finance – 2.25/4.5
Stadium – 1.19/3
Community – 1/2.5

Bradford Bulls – 14th – 12.02 points
Performance – 2.17/5
Fandom – 3.95/5
Finance – 2.75/4.5
Stadium – 0.89/3
Community – 2.25/2.5

Castleford Tigers – 11th – 12.91 points (revised data following information given on Castleford website)
Performance – 3.09/5
Fandom – 4.20/5
Finance – 3.05/4.5
Stadium – 1.32/3
Community – 1.25/2.5

Hunslet RLFC – 29th – 6.94 points
Performance – 0.46/5
Fandom – 2.05/5
Finances – 1.75/4.5
Stadium – 0.68/3
Community – 2.00/2.5

Salford Red Devils – 8th – 13.80 points
Performance – 3.43/5
Fandom – 4.15/5
Finances – 2.15/4.5
Stadium – 1.83/3
Community – 2.25/2.5

Quote ="Septimius Severus"From TRL just to save using up your searches for the week - IN case you had been living under a rock, you will have realised that IMG released their provisional grades for all 36 professional clubs. From Leeds Rhinos right down to the North Wales Crusaders, 36 clubs were placed in a table with points calculated from five different categories – fandom (5), performance (5), finance (4.5), stadium (3) and community (2.5). Whilst the overwhelming majority of clubs decided not to broadcast the breakdown of those IMG points – which saw all 36 clubs scored out of 20 – a number of them did. Here are those: Barrow Raiders – 19th – 9.18 points Performance – 1.48/5 Fandom – 3.25/5 Finance – 2.25/4.5 Stadium – 1.19/3 Community – 1/2.5 Bradford Bulls – 14th – 12.02 points Performance – 2.17/5 Fandom – 3.95/5 Finance – 2.75/4.5 Stadium – 0.89/3 Community – 2.25/2.5 Castleford Tigers – 11th – 12.91 points (revised data following information given on Castleford website) Performance – 3.09/5 Fandom – 4.20/5 Finance – 3.05/4.5 Stadium – 1.32/3 Community – 1.25/2.5 Hunslet RLFC – 29th – 6.94 points Performance – 0.46/5 Fandom – 2.05/5 Finances – 1.75/4.5 Stadium – 0.68/3 Community – 2.00/2.5 Salford Red Devils – 8th – 13.80 points Performance – 3.43/5 Fandom – 4.15/5 Finances – 2.15/4.5 Stadium – 1.83/3 Community – 2.25/2.5'" Well in the interest of stated openness I did ask.Maybe our owner will tell us. Thank you for your email, we appreciate your feedback. At present the RFL is responsible for publishing clubs' overall grades, while publication of itemised category scores is a matter for individual clubs. However, this position is under consideration. If you would like to read more about the IMG Grading Criteria, please see the link below. https://www.rugby-league.com/governance ... nd-reports Kind Regards, Enquiries​ Enquiries@RLcommercial.co.uk

Quote ="Septimius Severus"From TRL just to save using up your searches for the week - IN case you had been living under a rock, you will have realised that IMG released their provisional grades for all 36 professional clubs. From Leeds Rhinos right down to the North Wales Crusaders, 36 clubs were placed in a table with points calculated from five different categories – fandom (5), performance (5), finance (4.5), stadium (3) and community (2.5). Whilst the overwhelming majority of clubs decided not to broadcast the breakdown of those IMG points – which saw all 36 clubs scored out of 20 – a number of them did. Here are those: Barrow Raiders – 19th – 9.18 points Performance – 1.48/5 Fandom – 3.25/5 Finance – 2.25/4.5 Stadium – 1.19/3 Community – 1/2.5 Bradford Bulls – 14th – 12.02 points Performance – 2.17/5 Fandom – 3.95/5 Finance – 2.75/4.5 Stadium – 0.89/3 Community – 2.25/2.5 Castleford Tigers – 11th – 12.91 points (revised data following information given on Castleford website) Performance – 3.09/5 Fandom – 4.20/5 Finance – 3.05/4.5 Stadium – 1.32/3 Community – 1.25/2.5 Hunslet RLFC – 29th – 6.94 points Performance – 0.46/5 Fandom – 2.05/5 Finances – 1.75/4.5 Stadium – 0.68/3 Community – 2.00/2.5 Salford Red Devils – 8th – 13.80 points Performance – 3.43/5 Fandom – 4.15/5 Finances – 2.15/4.5 Stadium – 1.83/3 Community – 2.25/2.5'" Well in the interest of stated openness I did ask.Maybe our owner will tell us. Thank you for your email, we appreciate your feedback. At present the RFL is responsible for publishing clubs' overall grades, while publication of itemised category scores is a matter for individual clubs. However, this position is under consideration. If you would like to read more about the IMG Grading Criteria, please see the link below. https://www.rugby-league.com/governance ... nd-reports Kind Regards, Enquiries​ Enquiries@RLcommercial.co.uk

Unless there's a rabbit to pull out of the hat with the financials and community foundation, then we won't be in Super League in 2025.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPlin5uClM If you don't want to watch, the answer is quite simple - The finance can be manipulated, with Owner loans and levels of finance that can be moved around. Leigh scored rock bottom in this field and will gain another 3 points when manipulated, achieving the magical 15 points and a Grade A licence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPlin5uClM If you don't want to watch, the answer is quite simple - The finance can be manipulated, with Owner loans and levels of finance that can be moved around. Leigh scored rock bottom in this field and will gain another 3 points when manipulated, achieving the magical 15 points and a Grade A licence.

The interview you link Sep is well worth a listen. But if you ever doubted if Derek was a smart guy, then it an almost must listen. In the area of finances, he explains that he deliberately left club finances relatively unaltered for the initial trial IMG gradings, to see where things fell out. Now he knows exactly how IMG are assessing the various areas of finances (and in relative relation to other areas) he will (not may, be can/will) make the necessary changes to drastically boost our club financial score in the 3.0 range increase that Sep mentions. He also talks about another couple of other minor changes that we can make in other areas that will boost us above the magic 15.0 grade A score. A listen will tell you, this is not a maybe on his part, but a very confident “will” happen.
Another good reason to listen is to hear how committed he is to Leigh Leopards being in Leigh going forward. He talks about how we can be a club that can become a bigger draw on the big stage and garner even more supporters from outside our current perceived catchment area, and how that makes the catchment area a redundant grading criteria that he believes will disappear in 2025.
One last reason to listen is the fact ghat he mentions we have another significant signing in the works. The way he talks about it, if it happens, it will be a signing that will improve our current starting lineup, not just a squad boosting level player.
There are no guarantees in life or sport, but I am 100% confident that Derek is in this for the long haul, has zero desire to sell the club on at a profit or move it for profitable driven reasons, and will do whatever it takes to get us into not just Grade A status but make us one of the perennial top contenders moving forward.
I’ve been an active Leyther supporter for 55 years and I have never felt this bouyant about our clubs future

I agree with what you have said VL absolutely.
This is all hugely positive and there is increasingly a sense of permanency about it all.
On a totally separate note, I can heartily recommend to those of us who have not got them yet that the club shop Patrick leopard print trainers are a must buy. Popped down to the stall in the market yesterday and got myself a pair. Apparently they are selling very well. Good quality trainers, good make, look good and are very comfy. I have them on as i write this.
It is good to see for a change club merchandise that is good quality and worth getting. Club merch plug now finished!

Correck, Tipsy, no Academy needed - at least for IMG purposes. One will be introduced regardless.

Regarding catchment areas: the English clubs are judged on Borough (and if there is another pro/semi-pro club in said Borough, halved or cut into three accordingly); the French clubs are judged on "departments" rather than "communes" (the latter the nearest equivalent to Boroughs). This gives the French clubs an advantage in catchment areas.

Could the RFL STILL be championing their inclusion of Les faux crapauds?

Derek is right to question it on that alone!

And (never start a sentence with "And"icon_wink.gif, as Vanners says, DB was not slagging off other clubs, he was careful and balanced.

As to financial shuffling: sounds promising but Bongser's not your man.

COYL!

I am no financial wizard, but I will still chuck in my penn'orth on the basis that it might help someone.

If DB has invested £1.5M in the fantastic venture that is Leigh Leopards, at the moment DB cares not if he see's that money again. In that sense it is Derek's gambling stake.

IMG on the other hand want the Club to be run on a professional basis, with a financial structure including Long term liabilities and short term liabilities. In that sense any money invested by DB can be re-packaged into long and short term loans as required in the IMG strategy.
If Derek decides one day to throw his toys out of the pram, or alternatively has a near death experience out on safari, the club can be sold or refinanced more easily. It is Derek's money and Derek's club and he can collect on his loans or not, but it futureproofs the Club in an emergency.

If you want to look at what can happen, look no further than Eddie Davies (Bolton Wanderers). Davies revoked his investment in the club. This led to published debts of almost £200m and brought the club very close to being wound up over unpaid tax bills owed to HMRC. As a gesture of his goodwill and as incentive to sell the club, Davies promised to wipe over £125m of debt owed to him when the club was sold, which wiped a significant proportion of debt the club owed.

IMG are merely trying to support better financial management in a sport famous for not being able to manage it's own finances.

Your comments may be correct.If its a question of simply kicking the debt down the road then it casts even more doubt on the IMG reimagining process.
Stains have debts to mcmanus and his mates in the city. Lenegan had to call a halt at pies.Take that tour keeping wire going.
Davies called a halt at Bolton didn't write all the debt of though did he. Bolton still not recovered haven't they recently sent cap round to the speccies.
We are likely paying some players more than anyone at Bolton is on.
I have been pessimistic about Rl for some time.They report participation is up though cant really see the evidence.
One positive I did see was the interview with Phil Gould on You Tube sorry dont know how to post link Bloke in a bar think it was called

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