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| Is your point you don't think Leigh should have any DC players from any club or just Wigan ?
Last season I thought the DC players did well for us and I doubt many fans would object to having Tom Spencer on such a basis next season although I'd prefer a season long loan deal.
What is clear is that Leigh RLFC will remain an independant club.
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| Quote ="salfordlad"Is your point you don't think Leigh should have any DC players from any club or just Wigan ?
Last season I thought the DC players did well for us and I doubt many fans would object to having Tom Spencer on such a basis next season although I'd prefer a season long loan deal.
What is clear is that Leigh RLFC will remain an independant club.'"
Just to clarify;
If you partner with another SL club, then you only take their DR's. Leigh will not take any Wire or Cas players next year I understand.
SL clubs can partner with 2 clubs if they wish. However the second must be with a club outside the M62 corridor e.g. Lakes or South Wales, or more specifically in this case South Wales Scorpions. Saints have two partnerships; Rochdale and Whitehaven.
From the (25-17) 8 players that are not match tied by the SL club, I would guess 2 may be injured at any one time and a further 1-2 may be being rested. That would mean typically around 4-5 players would be looking for a game to keep them match fit. Presumably, this is how they arrived at the number 5 DR's.
Warrington, like other SL clubs have already released half of their 15 and 16 year olds, as there will only be a U16 age group next year. They are also in the process of releasing their U19' / U20s. So Brooke Broughton is going to Doncaster, Bradley Brennan to Barrow, Ryan Duffy to Leigh, Ben Hellewell to Fev., Bobby Goulding to Wakefield.
These changes as I understand it, were opposed by both Warrington and Saints. Until the very late announcement by the RFL, there has been no official notification of the changes. Neither is there any significant detail of how this new process will work.
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| Well I believe what our coach tells me and that is we will only be using the system like it was last year.
We will not be made to play any players.
We are not like Swinton who have twinned with Warrington, Wigan and Leigh arrangement is a partnership.
Wigan have an arrangement too with the South wales team also , so theres room for their other players aged between 19 and above to play that will not be ready for first team yet.
Wigan are running an under 19's and15/16s like us.
Where 3 or 4 of their fringe players get the benefit of first team rugby as they aren't having an under 23's and we benefit by having these 3 or 4 players extra to the 21 we have signed up, under a very tight budget.
It allows use of more players without having to spend more then we can afford.
This years budget is similar to last years, as we are runniing a reserves as well, which all comes out of the playing budget.
I know this because I asked.
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| Quote ="north stand"Well what’s it matter what you call the Wigan Players D/C or Under 23s But you can bet this if a Wigan player is on D/C at Leigh their is only one Team he will be playing in guess what he wont be the under 23s regardless off what our coach says
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Also ask yourselves this the partnership between Leigh & Wigan is for the benefit of who To Give Wigan 1st Teamers a game of Rugby at the expense of our own under 23 lads trying to make the 1st team
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It will give our lads time to develop and they will get their chances just the same.
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So please lets get real this partnership is about Wigan keeping their players fit and giving them match practise
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Also Championship Rugby is a step below Super League why do you think Super League Clubs send their players out on dual contract
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Because the standard of rugby in the CHAMPIONSHIP is better then reserve grade of course!!!!![/size!
The way i see this going Leigh could have at any one time have anything between 1 and 10 players wearing a Leigh Shirt
in the 1st Team or in the under 23s'"
Deffo not 1 and 10 Wigan players it will be 3 or 4 who are dual reg. You can have up to 8 we won't take that that many.
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| Quote ="Dick Jones"Well I believe what our coach tells me and that is we will only be using the system like it was last year.
We will not be made to play any players.
We are not like Swinton who have twinned with Warrington, Wigan and Leigh arrangement is a partnership.
Wigan have an arrangement too with the South wales team also , so theres room for their other players aged between 19 and above to play that will not be ready for first team yet.
Wigan are running an under 19's and15/16s like us.
Where 3 or 4 of their fringe players get the benefit of first team rugby as they aren't having an under 23's and we benefit by having these 3 or 4 players extra to the 21 we have signed up, under a very tight budget.
It allows use of more players without having to spend more then we can afford.
This years budget is similar to last years, as we are runniing a reserves as well, which all comes out of the playing budget.
I know this because I asked.'"
Well you Leigh supporters are probably the most fanatical of the lot, and I know you have done a huge amount to get the club back on its feet after the problems of last season. So I genuinely wish you well and hope it works out to your benefit. I am certainly not on this board 'stirring it', I am just hugely saddened by this move that the RFL have pushed through and the manner in which they have done it. The youth system is the lifeblood of RL, if it is damaged then we will feel the repurcussions for years to come.
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| Quote ="Dick Jones"Just spoke with our coach and he told me we have a partnership with Wigan just like we had last year and we will be getting some "duals " from them,we will not become their feeder club the duals we have will be 3 or 4, although we will not be forced to play them.
The South Wales Club are their twinned club.
Because of our budget, we need duals to bolster our squad ,but we have 20/21 players of our own signed up, so the duals will just make up the squad and we will pick the best players each game, if a "dual" plays bad then he can be dropped as one of our players can.Wigan will not be forcing us to paly their players, this is from our coach, so you can all put the feeder club rumours to bed now. I know I feel better now...........
Also we wont be able to get players from Warrington as they have "twinned" with Swinton for next season.'"
Thank you Lynda to me this clears up all the continuing confusion and rumours doing the rounds about our club , lets stop the Scaremongering and get on with supporting our Team and Club , again i cant wait for the new season , and again i will do all i can to assist the Fundraising we need to help our Coach .
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| Quote ="Dick Jones"Just spoke with our coach and he told me we have a partnership with Wigan just like we had last year and we will be getting some "duals " from them,we will not become their feeder club the duals we have will be 3 or 4, although we will not be forced to play them.
The South Wales Club are their twinned club.
Because of our budget, we need duals to bolster our squad ,but we have 20/21 players of our own signed up, so the duals will just make up the squad and we will pick the best players each game, if a "dual" plays bad then he can be dropped as one of our players can.Wigan will not be forcing us to paly their players, this is from our coach, so you can all put the feeder club rumours to bed now. I know I feel better now...........
Also we wont be able to get players from Warrington as they have "twinned" with Swinton for next season.'"
THAT CLEARS UP THE FIRST TEAM RUMOURS,THANKS.
Will our u23s be young lads stepping up from the younger age groups or will it be stacked with the players wigan dont want at the moment?.
If its the case that our u23s are mainly ex wigan players, will the wigan club have coaches on the bench as is happening at other clubs?.
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| Take a look guys on the goons board about the club partnership thread, one goon fan says all this is our own fault for being a small club in a small league, then they wonder why they get a name for being smug.
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| Quote ="j.c"THAT CLEARS UP THE FIRST TEAM RUMOURS,THANKS.
Will our u23s be young lads stepping up from the younger age groups or will it be stacked with the players wigan dont want at the moment?.
If its the case that our u23s are mainly ex wigan players, will the wigan club have coaches on the bench as is happening at other clubs?.'"
Re coaches if it's a Leigh side it will be a Leigh coach. Our clubs coaches give our sides instructions and the idea our coaching team will be instructed by a Pie coaching team will never be acceptable to our club. I am convinced of that and I don't need to even ask our coaching team or our Board members.
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| So we have entered a partnership agreement with Wigan?
We can only have DC's/loan players from Wigan?
Plus we don't have own community dept but share with Wigan?
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| Quote Quote ="glow"So we have entered a partnership agreement with Wigan?'"
we had the same partnership last year
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no but we cant from a club already twinned with one ie Warrington, we could have players from Widnes and Wigan
Quote Plus we don't have own community dept but share with Wigan?'" '"
This I cant understand as its a conflict of interest.
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| Where has this come from don't recall seeing or hearing this before.
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| Glow is right.
Dress it up how you want, partnership with Wigan, u can only dual reg with Wigan players, you can play 5 fringe Wigan players.
Whatever you call it, partnership, cost saving, twinning etc, it's the same as the others dressed up in different words delivered in a ambiguous way.
You cannot get any dual reg players from any other club but can get season long loans, just the same as the "twinned teams" .
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| Get back to your own board, bit fed up of the fax fans now, shame they can't understand plain english and their coach is a liar. Having said that I am a little fed up of this board in general, its worse than facebook and twitter. A gathering place for moaners and whingers. Right off to collect the prizes for the forecast competition, phone calls will follow. Then a complete break from rugby in and social media in general otherwise I may need as many antidepressants as you lot
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Get back to your own board, bit fed up of the fax fans now, shame they can't understand plain english and their coach is a liar. Having said that I am a little fed up of this board in general, its worse than facebook and twitter. A gathering place for moaners and whingers. Right off to collect the prizes for the forecast competition, phone calls will follow. Then a complete break from rugby in and social media in general otherwise I may need as many antidepressants as you lot'"
I think calling Karl a liar is grossley unfair as the RFL have also posted this on their own website so they have passed this news on to whoever reads it.Surely your beef is with them ,Karl didn`t just grab this news from thin air and I hardly think the RFL have put it on their website because Karl made the statement either.
However as Dick Jones is a Leigh Director and therefore I would presume part of the descision making process of the Club she should be more aware of what`s going on than the RFL or Karl Harrison ,so I wouldn`t think the RFL statement is in any way true.
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| It's close season it's all about the banter!!. Leiwig warrior centaurs!. Kinda like that name.
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| Quote ="Faxhali"It's close season it's all about the banter!!. Leiwig warrior centaurs!. Kinda like that name.'"
Be gone yorkie troll.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"Be gone yorkie troll.'"
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| as Ive already said
I asked the coach and thats what he told me and I believe him, he rang me about something completely unrelated and I hit him with the question, he he didn't have have time to plan what to say or try and disguise anything as some seem to think.
This years set up with Wigan is like last year, except we wont have the option of Wire players so its likely we will have more Wigan players then last year.
If people don't want us to continue this partnership then they will have to find ways of bringing more income into the club as the squad we have signed up now is because its all we can afford on the budget Pauls been given.
So if we could find a couple of hundred more LISA members and 100 more touchdown members will would probably be able to manage without duals.
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| I see some things on here do not change Lynda as you well know some folk would sooner believe what some prawn that has rock all to do with our club says than someone who finds out answers for them, paranoia is alive and lives in Leigh.
I also have spoken to Paul re the subject of DC's on a number of occassions and his view has never changed on the subject, yes he would prefer to play Leigh signed players only but until he has a budget that allows him to do that he will utilise any player that fits and ONLY FITS into the ethos he has put in place in the dressing room, he will NOT be forced into playing any player he does not want.
Plus IMO anything we can use that ANY club wishes to provide us with in the matter of anything to give us an edge on and off the field can only benefit us, if it also benefits them all well and good.
Now if people want to believe what a washed up bottle kicking pratt and his mindless supporters has to say well let them.
IF (note the word IF as I have no idea what is planned or not) there is some way Wigan Warriors and ourselves have a way of getting our great game pushed to the fore in the schools throughout the Borough then it cant be a conflict of interest as they are all in the same education authority and a joint venture makes sense as it isnt a competition, I helped put in place a joint venture amongst the schools in the borough back in the 90's and as a result all benefitted ( I hope) and not just a few, parochialism has no place these days in Rugby League esp[ecially when dealing with the youth.
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| Quote ="FredParky"
IF (note the word IF as I have no idea what is planned or not) there is some way Wigan Warriors and ourselves have a way of getting our great game pushed to the fore in the schools throughout the Borough then it cant be a conflict of interest .'"
So when the joint Wigan and Leigh community partnership roll up to local schools, there is no comflict of interest??
" Right pupils you have heard all about the great game of Rugby League and now it's time you sampled the atmosphere of a live match. We want you to be the new generation of supporters for the greatest game - OK those wanting Wigan v Saints Super League tickets form an orderley line here, those wanting Leigh v Workington tickets just go over there please and we will be with you shortly"
Yes I can see no conflict of interest either
You gotta laugh haven't you
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Get back to your own board, bit fed up of the fax fans now, shame they can't understand plain english and their coach is a liar. Having said that I am a little fed up of this board in general, its worse than facebook and twitter. A gathering place for moaners and whingers. Right off to collect the prizes for the forecast competition, phone calls will follow. Then a complete break from rugby in and social media in general otherwise I may need as many antidepressants as you lot'"
Bit rich coming from you when you was spouting off on the Swinton forum about our chairman having no ambition.
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"So when the joint Wigan and Leigh community partnership roll up to local schools, there is no comflict of interest??
" Right pupils you have heard all about the great game of Rugby League and now it's time you sampled the atmosphere of a live match. We want you to be the new generation of supporters for the greatest game - OK those wanting Wigan v Saints Super League tickets form an orderley line here, those wanting Leigh v Workington tickets just go over there please and we will be with you shortly"
Yes I can see no conflict of interest either
You gotta laugh haven't you
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THis came about because we have a Trustee of Wigans Community trust as a director these days
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"So when the joint Wigan and Leigh community partnership roll up to local schools, there is no comflict of interest??
" Right pupils you have heard all about the great game of Rugby League and now it's time you sampled the atmosphere of a live match. We want you to be the new generation of supporters for the greatest game - OK those wanting Wigan v Saints Super League tickets form an orderley line here, those wanting Leigh v Workington tickets just go over there please and we will be with you shortly"
Yes I can see no conflict of interest either
You gotta laugh haven't you
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One notices that you did not quote my bit about no parochialism, anyone with half a brain would work out that leigh area schools would be covered by Leigh staff, so with thinking like yours your quite correct you gotta laugh work it out yourself look at the big picture. Giving tickets away isnt about community work so again your ignorance shines through
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| Not wishing to open a can of worms as the explanation Rowley gave Lynda tended to calm some nerves for a few people.
However must admit I'll show my ignorance and admit I wasn't aware we had a partnership with Wigan Warriors last season and thought we just took duals that fitted into the coaches plans from any club so was a touch surprised that we do have such a agreement in place.
Could someone tell me what the actual agreement is then (in terms of what do we get from Wigan Warriors, how many players from Wigan Warriors will play for Leigh Centurions at one time and what do Wigan Warriors get out of the agreement, do we agree to give their players a certain amount of game time for instance) ?
Just one final point, do we have partnerships with Leigh East and Leigh Miners (and all the other local clubs) on similar models to the Wigan one we have ?
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