No wonder they are angry .Had anyone lost a close one in such a tragedy and noone been brought to book for the mistakes that day they would be seething with resentement.

The government were foolish to send a minister that reaction was inevitable.

Whatever ithey are gone and it was 20 years ago. Thank god that things are safer these days.

No, it never feels like that, I'm not a Liverpool supporter, but I put a rose on the memorial for my brother.

Can't be bothered pulling your post apart bit by bit, but it's hugely inaccurate and, in places, simply untrue.

As for booing Burnham, perhaps the 'fans' should thought about why his was there (to offer condolences and pay respects) and think about their own actions - booing at a memorial service, for any reason, is wholly unacceptable.

It is particularly inappropriate that they booed Burnham when he is an MP who has been actively seeking to have all documents relating to the tragegy brought into the public arena.

Sadly, I think the jeering incident will overshadow not only the reason for the heckling, but also the whole purpose of the memorial service.

Maybe it was daft to send a Government minister under the circumstances, but questions would have been asked had there not been a representative of Government present.

The main thing is that lessons have been learned from that horrible day and may they never happen again.

RIP, the 96.

No it wont and they have a memorial service every year it's just because it was 20 years that so much emphasis has been put on this one.

It's good that Burnham was there but probably best if he hadn't spoken on an occasion like that to be honest.

Leeds and Bolton is a strange combination

Mr C is strange

It means he hates Man Utd twice as much as others

Just a small point wasnt there a tory government at the time and for 8plus years after?? Mr Burnham is from a labour govt??? wasnt the anger vented wrongly??

I agree it was a terrible day and today should have been respected booing at a memorial service is not good and Andy looked very shaken by it....sad really when the rest of the service was very emotional

And i`m a utd fan

RIP 96

They keep going on about justice for the 96, how about justice for the 39 at Heysel?

Reading Teletext and online, "minister jeered" seems to be a common headline rather than "30,000 pay their respects".

The police where too blame, that's why so many of them 'retired' after the incident.
Lack of communication, 2 paddocks where left locked and should have been opened before the surge happened, if these had been opened there wouldn't have been a disaster like there was.

If it had happened 2 months earlier than it did, I quite possibly wouldn't have been here to type this as I was stood in that very same middle pen and was being pushed and crushed against the barriers.
No one should go to a sporting event and come home in a wooden box.

Do you spread your arms out like plane wings and sing about Munich like most Bolton & Leeds fans?

Were English clubs suspended from European competion after that or, am I wrong?

It sometimes depends if Utd fans are disprespecting our War heros, singing about 96 not being enough, Istanbul Reds, etc etc etc.

I dont think any fans can take the moral high ground on things like this.

Your right of course however, Bolton fans inparticular have been singing these songs for forty years I know of!

Just how did the police cause the crush? Would the police had to have opened exit gate C if Liverpool fans hadn't been getting crushed outside the ground? No

These two locked paddocks you mention. would these be the same paddocks that were acessable if you turned left or right as you entered through the turnstyle? one fan who is now a bbc reporter was told to do this by his mate who died in the central pen.

As you went through gate C you had the acess tunnel for the central pen right infront of you so all the fans headed straight for the tunnel in a rush to see the game. Now should there have been a gate that they could have closed to ristrict entry to the paddock once full? if they did they could have stopped the surge meaning fans could have spread out left and right into the other paddocks.

As i've said before the whole day could have been handled better by the police (acting quicker), fans(wouldn't have happed without them), stewards(should have directed fans to the other paddocks),FA (not taking the advice from Manchester United fans a few months before) , Sheffield Wednesday (not keeping the ground upto standard) etc etc but to just blame the police outright is just idiotic.

What really gets to me though is this whole justice campaign, there has already been two inquries into the disaster but the familys wern't happy with the verdict so want another but what happens if they don't like that verdict? My guess is they would push for a forth and fith etc etc untill they get the decission they want but then what? Would they want compenstion? Would there friends want compensation? Would they sleep better at night? Do they expect 96 people to suddenly rise from the dead?

If you want to ask an ex copper what it was like that day you should get in touch with Huddersfield as there saftey officer was on duty that day.

Yes for 10 years , not just Liverpools fault but the final straw after years of trouble in Europe involving English clubs

I dont normally get involved in conversations like this but Ive got to say I agree with everything you say

The 'Many' police officers that retired after the incident (if two were many? 1 over 12 months later) both had over 30 years service so were at retirement stage anyway.
And I would read the Taylor report again for accuracy and not paraphrase the results.

Excellent post mutt1. I can understand the frustration and anger of the families of the 96, and the fact that they want someone to blame. However, in my opinion, there is no one person/organisation to blame - the tragedy occured as a result of a number of awful things happening at the same time, leading to a terrible outcome. However, going back to the original point of this thread, I think the link below illustrates perfectly why Liverpool 'fans' were wholly wrong to boo Burnham yesterday. msn.football365.com/story/0,1703 ... 87,00.html The service should've been a respectful memorial, not a chance to boo the one MP who simply didn't deserve it.

Excellent post mutt1. I can understand the frustration and anger of the families of the 96, and the fact that they want someone to blame. However, in my opinion, there is no one person/organisation to blame - the tragedy occured as a result of a number of awful things happening at the same time, leading to a terrible outcome. However, going back to the original point of this thread, I think the link below illustrates perfectly why Liverpool 'fans' were wholly wrong to boo Burnham yesterday. msn.football365.com/story/0,1703 ... 87,00.html The service should've been a respectful memorial, not a chance to boo the one MP who simply didn't deserve it.

There were many many factors to blame for what happened.
There isn't just one person, or bunch of people to blame. There are many.
But there are many facts to consider. The fact that that end of the ground didn't have a safety certificate is one of them.
The families want justice as the official enquiry wouldn't look at anything that happened after 3.19pm. This is clearly incorrect and wrong, it says there was no one alive after that time, when there is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.
The families want closure, they want peace of mind, and for this they should be supported. I will say though, is that this isn't helped by barracking the man who is trying to get it reopened.
Oh and what happened in 1989 cannot and should never be compared to what happened in 1985. The only 2 similarities are the club involved and an unsuitable stadium. One was an act of hooliganism, one wasn't.
There is plenty of stuff out there to read about this, please take the time. It could have happened at many a football or rugby match, and indeed big concert, and could still happen again in some places.

When i mentioned Heysel my tongue was planted firmly in cheek and yes your right it was caused by hooliganism and a poor ground. I've read and watched a few documenterys about about the disaster and there are a few similaritys as the owners of Heysel stadium and Belgian police were never investigated and there was no official inquiry. Again it was a series of events all happening at the same time that caused 39 people to lose there lives, Juventus fans blamed Liverpool fans and a poor stadium and Liverpool fans blamed the police (i know i know but i couldn't resist one little dig) the truth will be somewhere in between.

As a regular at Old Trafford in the 80's and 90's you will rememeber the Arsenal game in 1990? I'd have been 9 and would normally stand in the scoreboard paddock but that day my dad took me into the Strettford end and was down towards the front and was involved in the crush after Winterburn fouled Choccy. There was a huge surge forward and i was taken clean off my feet i don't know who it was who picked me up of the floor but i'd sure like to shake his hand because that was a scary moment.

Another was in 99 i was watching Metallica at Milton Keynes bowl up at the font there was a lot of pushing and shoving the next thing i rememeber was being on the floor because the first 15/20 rows deep of people had slipped causeing everyone who was leaning on each other to fall too. The band had to stop playing untill everyone got back to there feet. The lad next to me snapped his leg and i escaped without harm. A year later at Roskilde in Denmark the same happend during Pearl Jams set and 9 people died from suffocation since then, you'll notice at most festivals and big gigs thesedays they have a semicircle barrier (golden circle) and a gate with ristrictions on how many people can get up close to the bands.

Aye, the Heysel comparison has made many times on loads of other places and it irritates me no end. Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular on here.
I have been in the middle of that far too many times to even think about over the years, and like I say not just at football. Even coming out of the Manchester Academy after a gig last year was hairy and I had to get out of the crush as it was horrible.
At the end of the day 96 people (well 95 on the day and one later in hospital) went to a football game and never went home alive, and that should never have been allowed to happen.
That goes for various other events as well including Ibrox, Bradford, Middlesborough, Birmingham, Villa Park etc etc..