Quote ="Wembley71"1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants.'" Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/

Quote ="Wembley71"1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants.'" Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/

Quote ="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I know this sounds like petty semantics, but you do realise that there is a difference between the terms [iimmigrant[/i and [iasylum seeker[/i?

Quote ="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I know this sounds like petty semantics, but you do realise that there is a difference between the terms [iimmigrant[/i and [iasylum seeker[/i?

Listen, I know someone who's father unfortunatly passed away but he was the carer for his wife and this persons mother. She lived a good distance away from any immediate family and was looking for support to due to the circumstances.

What did they as a family get offered after many meetings?

SWEET FA!!



Both herself and her husband had worked all their life, paid their dues and in her hour of need all the social services were after was her money and her house to secure her a place in a care home, not ensuring that in the immediate future she got the assistance she so badly needed.

The more you have, the more you pay and the less you get back from this Goverment.

Its a f00king joke

Why should someone who has worked all their life and paid everything that has been asked be forced to give up what they have to gain some support when it is most needed. Yet some of these jokers who come over here get everything they need and then some to the point that they need not work, some also decide to become professional babymaking machines such is the lucrative nature of that particular profession!!!

At times you can be a second class citizen in this country if your born and bred here.

I had the pleasure of visiting Tottenham recently with 3 business colleagues and all 4 of us said the same...............are we in the UK or are we in another country because we felt so out of place.

Rant over.

Quote ="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I,m sorry to sound like a soft touch but an Asylum seeker and an immigrant are not the same thing. Aren,t asylum seekers held in detention centres until their cases are looked into ? I honestly think they are but there are people no doubt who do and will abscond. In the scheme of things those allowances would hardly go far enough for anyone to live the life of Reilly. Can you imagine living in a country with an undemocratic government, usually based on a belief in a mythical being, with no hope and living in fear for whatever reason every day of your life. No wonder they want asylum. I realise this is rather simplistic and some do tell lies but we are not the only country that accepts asylum seakers. At the end of the day we are bound to get some false asylum seekers and some lazy no account immigrants. Its the price we pay for being a civilised democratic country. Where would you rather live here or in Africa for eg ? Altruism, as a nation, will pay dividends. Over to those who disagree.

Quote ="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I,m sorry to sound like a soft touch but an Asylum seeker and an immigrant are not the same thing. Aren,t asylum seekers held in detention centres until their cases are looked into ? I honestly think they are but there are people no doubt who do and will abscond. In the scheme of things those allowances would hardly go far enough for anyone to live the life of Reilly. Can you imagine living in a country with an undemocratic government, usually based on a belief in a mythical being, with no hope and living in fear for whatever reason every day of your life. No wonder they want asylum. I realise this is rather simplistic and some do tell lies but we are not the only country that accepts asylum seakers. At the end of the day we are bound to get some false asylum seekers and some lazy no account immigrants. Its the price we pay for being a civilised democratic country. Where would you rather live here or in Africa for eg ? Altruism, as a nation, will pay dividends. Over to those who disagree.

People are not grasping this - the only people who get any sort of special treatment are asylum seekers, and they have to meet some very stringent criteria to get the help they deserve.

Every other problem is one that is much a problem amongst white British as it is amongst those from other countries. Those issues need dealing with, but the solutions will affect all and not just the foreign.

Don't let xenophobia cloud your judgement. This country has a lot of problems, but very few of those problems are caused by immigrants.

Why did you have to travel so far?

You can have the same experience locally

GRASP THIS...........................

Walk round Leigh Town centre anyday of the week with your EYES OPEN.

Seriously just take the time to do it, collect your thoughts on what you see, stand outside the general post office and again collect your thoughts on what you see..........................then the final frontier!!

Spend 30 minutes (If you can stand it) in ANY town centre bookmakers and the penny will drop.

If you get the chance catch up with our MP and ask him his thoughts, he'll tell you they all work nights or have rich families in their native land transfering money on a regular basis in to their TSB accounts!!

Its a fair comment Walt if you want to split hairs, but all much of a muchness in the grand scheme of things.

But they are not - and that is the whole point.

If you're nitpicking the diffeerence between the two then yes, there is considerable difference. The point came about that people claiming asylum [ido[/i actually have more rights (granted a very tiny amount) because they have something me and thee cannot claim. It was in fairness petty, but a fact none the same.

Anyway, I've not heard many people whinging about the bigger issue say 'I dont mind him, he's an immigrant, but I dont like him becuase he's claiming asylum'.

Much of a muchness in the bigger issue, like I said.

You wanna try living in my house then next door to a bunch of wasters with no jobs who don't speak a word of the Queen's and don't care how much noise they make any day or night of the week.

None of them work and they must be claiming every benefit under the sun. It's an absolute disgrace. I've nothing against anyone who wants to come here and add something to the country and fit in but people like this want throwing back on the boat.

Mut matey, do you not see the irony in your post?

The real problem is that there's something seriously wrong with the global economy (I believe a fatal flaw brought about by the debt based economic system - but thats another matter entirely) and now were all looking for scapegoats.

The BNP have decided that immigrants are their scapegoat of choice, when IMO every member of the working class should target the real villains who created this sorry mess, the greedy Banksters and all the other Multi-National Corporate institutions that play off the workers of the world in a race to the bottom in regards wages, working conditions etc.

That said, I can't condone the attack on the BNP guy just because he has radical political views I disagree with. I too have extreme views (leaning far left these days) and I would hate to think I'd get smashed around the head for merely voicing an ideological worldview that somebody disagreed with.

Ahh politics.... but is the pope catholic?

Mostly agree but infront of (w)Bankers you missed out incompetant, thick, short sighted, overpaid featherbedded excessively featherbedded shameless, it was the other guys fault,50 year old Scottish failure now on £700000 a year for life.

Mind you there always be those who blame immigration, which surprisingly some think will be ok if they become am immigrant.

what I would like to know is what on earth is this subject doing on a fans forum. surely a fans forum should be just about rugby matters, We should leave subjects like this to Leigh Life. where the members of the closed shop on there can gossip away to their hearts content about this and anything else that is uninteresting. Please lets keep it real

Er, except they aren't. YOur blithe assertion makes exactly the point, that most prejudice against immigrants and asylum seekers is based on ignorance and assumption. Alex's Das has nicely pointed out a benefit that only asylum seekers receive... but hasn't pointed out that this is ALL they get.

Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work. They can't calim incomse support, or jobseekers, or housing benefit, or anything else. WE house and feed them. They live where they are put, and have no choice in it. They get utilities paid, and then they get, at most, £66.13 for a couple, to live on. They must follow these terms for as long as it takes to examine their case for asylum. Asylum is only granted if it can be shown that they are in danger or imprisonment, torture or death in their country of origin, and then only for things that we would not consider a crime (such as having left a particular religion, or for expressing a particular point of view). If they don't meet the criteria, or come from a country which our government has deemed safe, they are sent home.

If it can be shown that they entered the UK through a country in which they could first have claimed asylum, they are sent there. Relatively few people are actually granted asylum. Many seek to come to the UK, because in the last 400 years Britain invaded and colonised much of the world.. hence our culture, language and values are taught in many places as the model of a tolerant society (there is some irony here), and also because, as a result of that, there are millions of people all over the world who have distant relatives who hae been British for one, two or more generations.

If they aren't asylum seekers, they are immigrants. If they are not EU citizens, but have come here legally, they have had to fulfil stringent entry criteria. If they are EU citizens, they have as much right to be here as you have to be in their country of origin. If they are from EU accession countries like Poland, Hugary, The Czech republic, Slovakia etc, then they are not entitled to benefits, and if they are from old EU countries like France, Ireland, Spain and Italy, then you are entitled to claim the equvalent benefits as a local if you go there.

If they haven't fulfilled the criteria or are claiming benefits they aren't entitled to, they are breaking the law, simple as that. If they get caught, they'll be treated in the same juducial system as a British cheat, with the added bonus of being deported after they've finished their sentence (or occasionally to serve their sentences in their ow country, in a reciprocal arrangement by which we take back British prisoners convicted abroad).

You wanna try living next door to a bunch of wasters who are white anglo-saxon wasters born and bred for generations in this country. There's plenty of them about. Every society has them, and while its as true of immigrant communities as it is of ancient britons, that has nothing to do with them being immigrants, and eveything to do with them being wasters.

Last up, the Queen's English is an interesting phrase. The Queen's family name is Saxe-Coberg Goetha, from which you might correctly assume the royals are German (its just that being german wasn't so clever in1914, so they called themselves Windsor). Queenie is married to a Greek. Now, if ever there was a sponging imigrant who contributed nothing and took millions from the British taxpayer, it was Prince Phillip. But his son (maybe) and Grandson will one day be the King of England. Go figure.

Nothing what you have written can be argued against, though it does suggest that the ideal system is in place and being strictly adheared to.

We both know that doesn't represent what is actually happening.

If the system was so clear cut, why do so many pass through countless other countries to get here? There is a reason, and its not the glorious weather we have.

Naah, the reason is after 400 years of empire, and after encouraging mass immigration in the post-war decades, literally millions of people all over the world have relatives here.

The system we have in place is fine in theory, it just needs policing and enforcing, and that's a question of resources and political will, and even then, there will always be lawbreakers. Murder's illegal but it still happens.

It is very difficult to get into the UK legally... just ask the Australian players who aren't playing NL1 this season. If you get in illegally, that's not the fault of the system, and unless you're forging documents and lying through your teeth, you don;t suddenly qualify for handouts, you get sent home.

You are wasting your breath, you really are.
Sadly.

Can we keep them in if they are good at rugby league.

Maybe this is an untapped stream we could go for future Leigh players......

W71, the average Joe in Leigh is Pd off with what our town has become and the placing of hundreds of mainly Muslim Asylum Seekers/Illegals has created a ghetto feel as the town continues along its journey into the smelly stuff.
I dont go into town anymore, pooh shops, immigrants everywhere and one even trying to sell the Big Issue. It simply doesnt feel like Leigh.
I live in Pennington, thankfully none have been placed here so I can avoid the feelings of despair I get when in town. I am sure you can also avoid the day to day reality in Exeter, or even Appley Bridge.
Avoided the reality of what has been created allows one to pontificate the virtues of the British way, fighting for the underdog, just causes, doing whats right - you do it very well, much better than most could argue against you.
The reality doesnt change though, we are far too soft with minorities, we bend to cater for them, we often seem to be against what being British is about and have done a great job in turning the average Joe into a potential right wing voter because we are so frustrated with the reality on our streets.
We need a radical overhaul of our immigration and human rights policies, and we need to toughen up with how we deal with Muslim extremists within our society.
I welcome anyone to our shores who wants to embrace what being British is about, our values, our visions and our opportunities. Anyone with an agenda to change these should be thrown out now before it goes too far.

Can you define what "British values" are please ?

Drinking to extremes and invading countries whilst dressed up as morris dancers.