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| Quote ="atomic"£460k parachute payment, DB would have had to chuck 40k in the kitty along with the other 11 SL clubs.'"
That's right,and £460k + £40k = £500k which had to be spent on players.
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| Quote ="Cokey"When he was bloody minded, and wouldn't accept NJ resignation after the Widnes game last year,and was adamant that he was the right man for the job so he could keep on interfering which he doesn't do now coz KP won't let him. Thankfully the fans pressurised NJ into resigning after the Toulouse game,and then he had the audacity to call the fans despicable. Oh,and that day cost him a 7.5k fine for his behaviour on SM,and that was after putting that game back an hour which aggrieved quite a few fans. I could go on.'"
Not saying he hasn't made mistakes , although they are always easier to spot afterwards than at the time , as for the Toulouse game , his opinion , one I both agree and disagree with , I've never booed Leigh , but I did applaud the French
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| Quote ="Cokey"That's right,and £460k + £40k = £500k which had to be spent on players.'"
Yes, but all tolled the expenditure on players was £1.7m, so a further investment of £500k was made from somewhere.
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| Quote ="ColD"Who of any decent standing do you suggest would take a one year contract, or even a 2 year with a failure clause in it
I'll give you KC, sold him a good un there. Without him I reckon we would have had a good chunk of last of seasons squad and be rubbing our hands in the M8's looking at some SL teams performances'"
Agree with you there Col
Just for the record termination clauses for under performing aren't as far as I am aware on the RFL list of acceptable clauses that can be incorporated into a players contract
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Not saying he hasn't made mistakes , although they are always easier to spot afterwards than at the time , as for the Toulouse game , his opinion , one I both agree and disagree with , [uI've never booed Leigh , but I did applaud the French'" [/u
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"It is notable that the club logo is the coat of arms above 'Leigh RLFC' on an official press release today.
Interesting that, don't you think?'"
Not seen that one Harold , what did they announce ?
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| Quote ="Cokey"Ian, what i am unsure about is,the 700k & 500k we received. We had to spend that money on players,but did we have to spend it all this season? If we did,you can't blame degsey for spending it,but you can for not spending it wisely. We had a decent enough squad at the end of last season,and i just never understood the culling of that squad which we could've kept more players, and that consequently meant we had to recruit, and dish out 2 year contracts because 1 year contracts wouldn't have been accepted. BTW - It was Marwan who recommended KC to Degsey.'"
Fairly sure that was the deal as that is what Derek put in his ' essay ' , obviously they ( RFL and the SL clubs ) were worried about the French but couldn't make the offer after the MPG , I'd suggest ( guess , as I don't have the quality of contacts others claim to have ) the deal was , you get the extra half mil if you spend like 1.5 on your squad
I also was baffled by our wholesale changes , but it's all history now
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| One thing I've noticed through life is that when you think things can't get much worse, another door opens for you.
Now that the Clown Prince has gone or nearly gone, thank goodness, someone else will step forward. Leigh is a rugby league hotbed with an excellent stadium in the town. It's a no-brainer that someone else will invest. With the right investor, one who won't walk away when the going gets tough, this town can become a force in RL, attracting good crowds along the way. Hold onto your seats.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Agree with you there Col
Just for the record termination clauses for under performing aren't as far as I am aware on the RFL list of acceptable clauses that can be incorporated into a players contract'"
Could performance related contracts be given as a bonus incentive at the end of the season? e.g. Iv'e already said this.....1 year contract £xxxx ,finish top 4 then offer another year contract with again £xxxx,get promoted and get an increased £xxxx contract? If this is not possible ,then we're playing casino rugby.
I should also add,would players actually accept that anyway?
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| Quote ="atomic"£460k parachute payment, DB would have had to chuck 40k in the kitty along with the other 11 SL clubs.'"
It was 50K each from the other 10 to whoever lost the MPG , as I put earlier it was the French they were worried about IMO
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| Quote ="atomic"£460k parachute payment, DB would have had to chuck 40k in the kitty along with the other 11 SL clubs.'"
It was 50K each from the other 10 to whoever lost the MPG , as I put earlier it was the French they were worried about IMO
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"It was 50K each from the other 10 to whoever lost the MPG , as I put earlier it was the French they were worried about IMO'"
So are you saying Catalans didn't have to cough owt up?
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| Quote ="atomic"Yes, but all tolled the expenditure on players was £1.7m, so a further investment of £500k was made from somewhere.'"
We do generate income don't forget , and also there are plenty of other costs , and ultimately only Derek knows for sure what the last 4/5 years have cost him , and it is only his business , not ours
Personally , I'd say it has been a fair old wedge , something I warned Derek not to do 7/8 years ago , because I know him , there are no half measures with him , it's ALL IN or nothing
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"It was 50K each from the other 10 to whoever lost the MPG , as I put earlier it was the French they were worried about IMO'"
It was the Canadians, I am fairly certain about that.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"We do generate income don't forget , and also there are plenty of other costs , and ultimately only Derek knows for sure what the last 4/5 years have cost him , and it is only his business , not ours
Personally , I'd say it has been a fair old wedge , something I warned Derek not to do 7/8 years ago , because I know him , [uthere are no half measures with him , it's ALL IN or nothing'" [/u
Well he's gone all in,and now we've got nothing.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"We do generate income don't forget , and also there are plenty of other costs , and ultimately only Derek knows for sure what the last 4/5 years have cost him , and it is only his business , not ours
Personally , I'd say it has been a fair old wedge , something I warned Derek not to do 7/8 years ago , because I know him , there are no half measures with him , it's ALL IN or nothing'"
The generated income from the SL season, going where?
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Not seen that one Harold , what did they announce ?'"
It was an announcement on the club website about the official end of season player awards night.
Apologies, press release was a poor choice of phrase.
But still, could it be significant?
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| Quote ="Cokey"Could performance related contracts be given as a bonus incentive at the end of the season? e.g. Iv'e already said this.....1 year contract £xxxx ,finish top 4 then offer another year contract with again £xxxx,get promoted and get an increased £xxxx contract? If this is not possible ,then we're playing casino rugby.
I should also add,would players actually accept that anyway?'"
No idea , or as you suggest wether they would accept them
Personally I'd pay them all the same
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"No idea , or as you suggest wether they would accept them
[uPersonally I'd pay them all the same'" [/u
But it looks like Degsey doesn't want to.
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| Quote ="atomic"So are you saying Catalans didn't have to cough owt up?'"
Fairly sure it was reported as such , it was only decided upon and voted on the meeting the week prior to the MPG as an insurance policy against Catalans dropping down and losing their income from their TV deal
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"It was the Canadians, I am fairly certain about that.'"
Course it was Harold
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| Quote ="atomic"The generated income from the SL season, going where?'"
You spend you income in the season you earn it , you make an assessment of what you think you will earn and set your budget accordingly , if you fall short , then somebody ( owner directors ) has to make up the difference , which is why we find ourselves where we currently are , as I said , non of my business but if we did keep this years squad then I reckon Derek would be looking at chucking in a million + next season
So the question is despite him rubber stamping the contracts would I want him risking his business to subsidise MY match ticket ?
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| Quote ="Cokey"[/u
But it looks like Degsey doesn't want to.'"
Maybe he doesn't want to , maybe he isn't in a position to , either way it's his call , personally I'm happy for him to do what's best for himself
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| My take with Derek is He let the whole Paul Rowley / Toronto saga consume him IMO.
It was because of it, and a burning desire from Derek for Jukes to succeed and prove to be a far better coach than Rowley, and show Derek's decison to appoint Neil as his successor as the right one , that he was allowed to continue as head coach way beyond the point where is time was clearly up.
When a coach loses his dressing room, there is inevitably only ever one outcome.
Unfortunately, Derek going against the tried and tested methodology saw it differently and instead of the coach being shown the door, the players were. It proved to be the recipe for complete disaster.
Every other contributory factor is just secondary. IMHO of course.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Fairly sure it was reported as such , it was only decided upon and voted on the meeting the week prior to the MPG as an insurance policy against Catalans dropping down and losing their income from their TV deal'"
Pretty sure DB made a comment stating the parachute payment decision by SL, concerning any relegated SL club was made mid season.
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