Ive not walked away just yet mate i'll be there tonight and i'll be there for the barra game,but after that who knows.
I just think its time for me to take a step back for most of this season and next, and see what more the clubs and the rl want to introduce on a creeping basis

No they shouldn't, IMO of course. As i've stated in this thread earlier, guilt tripping people will not make them return especially on a regular basis, they need to activley target NEW fans not just focus all their energy on previous who as you habve stated above will never return, that if anything is a waste of time/effort and more importantly money!

Why is stating something that is just reality classed as guilt tripping? If you feel its guilt tripping maybe you actually feel guilty but don't realise it.

Targetting new fans does need to be done. How do you do that with no money? Entrance fees are not just for players wages, its for the infrastructure and marketing of the club. No money-no marketing.

I don't feel guilty in the slightest but, you must admit that is how it could come accross, given the current economy people will want more of a reason to go other than someone saying give me your money or we won't be around much longer.

Charlie is statnig that ex fans are more important than new ones but in a post but minutes earlier says most of the lapsed fans will never return, now if you have that opinion how can you say lapsed fans are more important than new??

As Starbug has stated new fans should always be the main priority, you will always lose some no matter what, you cannot expect people to come for their entire lives, simply won't happen other than the few die hards.

Is the statement about money incorrect...no IMO. If people are not coming due to financial pressures then OK but to not come and blame it on the RFL is pretty lame in my opinion. If 400 Swinton fans did that, they wouldn't get to the next game never mind the end of the season

The point is that that simple message of stating the facts has not worked and will not work again, the clubs new openness policy is good but it shouldn't also be used as a marketing strategy to get fans back, I know sod all about marketing but I do know that if you want peoples money then you need to make them want to give it to you not make them believe they have to do so!!

I would say actually having a club that exists would be a primary reason. If there are no clubs in a position to go into SL then there is no reason for them to change the rules. Result=The RFL/SL achieve the objective of removing all reasons to change.

Rubbish, do you buy anything from tea bags to a new car beacuse you don't want the company to fold? absolutley not, you go because you want/need/enjoy that particular product. its exactly the same, the club need to realise this before its too late!

Yes I understand your point, the club needs to survive, that is its priority but the majority of you die hards seem to completley disregard anyone elses views/opinions.

How do we get a product like Warrington or Wigan or any SL team. I will also dismiss you teabag argument as rubbish. However you are if i am not mistaken from earlier postings of yours a committed non attender.

So what would make you return to Leigh. Please give your answer without any mention of the RFL. We can then compare what you want with what local SL teams currently offer.

LA , im not trying to make you or anyone else feel guilty people watch Leigh for the same reason i do , they love Rugby as a game , and love Leigh Centurions as a club .
Where have i said ex-fans are more important than new fans ?They are both the same value to the club , their money spends just the same , i just feel its easier preaching to the converted , and i have Never said MOST of the lapsed fans will never return , i said some , big difference .

You cannot expect anybody to watch Leigh for their entire lives , my own Dad was a Leigh supporter all his life wouldnt hear a bad word said against them , but didnt go to matches for the last 10 years of his life ,then one day i took , and he was like a big kid again , loved it , i know he would have loved the LSV .

The majority of posters on this Forum i know love Leigh Centurions , but a few feel bitter after past experiences,that is not the way to be , whether you agree with the current Board or not , still come along and support the club , before its to late , nowt to do with feel guilty .

LA , i personally agree with your tea-bags statement , i buy only certain products because i like them , and they feel or taste good , again everybody is entitled to their individual choice , but my owd Dad told me in 1960 ,"Choose yer team well Lad ", you only ever support ONE team , im a Leyther 100% and proud of it , i only cheer one club on.
Also does your profile name refer to the Town you were born , or your Team ?

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Like i've stated I am not a marketing expert I have no idea how you get a product likie Wigan/Wire, its up to the club to pay an expert to do that not for me on an open forum to do it for them.

Dismiss my idea all you like but as long as you/the club continue to ignore non attendees opinions then you won't get anywhere.

In regards to your 2nd point then it isn't 1 particular reason I no longer attend and I have already stated my reasons, firstly the price is too high (you may say its similar to other clubs but doesnt justify me paying it). I play golf with my dad who's only day off work is a Sunday which I prefer to do and most of the people I used to go with now no longer attend.

So if the club wanted to market to me after reading this then they could intice me with a cheaper group ticket for a Friday/Saturday night game then yes i'd probably go. I haven't lost all interest, I regularly read these boards/match reports and do some questionable streaming of the games on the internet so i'm not a lost cause (YET).

It was on page 10, you stated the club needs lapsed fans more than new ones, i don't agree.

i'm not bitter about anything my last post shows the main reasons I don't go (its also to do with the RFL and losing interest in the sport as a whole but Demon wou;dn't allow me to use that

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Than you, at least you understood the point I was making.

Both, I'll never stop wanting Leigh to win but whether I go again is another matter

Thats easy you just find yourself a Koukash

Quite rightly too. At this immediate moment anyway. We can work on the general state of the game once we sort out our own existence.

Stop the blame culture and lame excuses that is not going to change anything. Just look at the club facts from just over 16 months, last time we were in a mess!

1. The club has no financial plan A or B, very poor budgeting like past years. Every year we face a finacial crisis this year its earlier than usual.

2. Match day experience is very poor and expensive, club told last season too little too late this season as attendance shows.

3. In a stadium the club can't afford, charge us for everying and have all the revenue streams

4. No financial backer or decent sponsers

5. LISA has no money after Wednesday night.

6. Lost good loyal fans due to changing match day last year, Friday night failure ££££££

7. Wednesday night the Cheif exec was very unprofessional, would not answer questions, argued every point raised, offered somebody outside, calling other clubs facilities, acted surprised about contract with LSV despite saying he spent 12 years of his life building it, tells us it cost £1300 to turn under soil heating on for Swinton game, no clear messages or direction apart from were broke, tells fans we cant please everyone, then finally says its only short term if this and that happens were ok but that's months away.

8. Wont consider Saturday night 6.30 games

9. Expect fans to finance everything, fans are fed with this and are leaving

10. Dont worry even though we broke we are still financially self sufficient!

ANSWER>>>>>>>>The club has to restructure.

1. Remove the current board have a private floation to raise much needed capital ie shares but limit it to so many shares per person/fan.

2. Appoint a management team to run the club, PR to run the team etc and a new management team focussed on attracting new sponsers and revenues, match day experience, promotions and advertising etc. The mangement will be responsible and accountable to the shareholders at quarterly meetings, i.e a kind of fans forums but run more professionally and structured like a shareholder meeting.

3. Restructure the current debt with banks to pay back over 5-10 years if they dont accept force Sporting Club Leigh as it is today into bankruptcy and start a new club.

I hear it "But that will spoil our chance of going into super league?" I have news for you, with our finances and attendances that will never happen with the RFL, no matter how good our team and facilities are.

4. Reset the budget based on realistic attendances and forecast

5. If sporting club leigh is wound up it allows the club to renegotiate the contract with LSV for better terms. If not shareholders could consider a move or a ground share, dont have the club held to ransom like it is today, we need to do more for the fans and shareholders of the club to keep them and the club alive!

Who is appointing the management team?

You make a lot of valid points some I agree with but some I don't.

For example point 3 is a non starter the bank would not accept that and going into bankcruptcy would see our new club in Championship 1.

Our budget is predicated on paying off the overdraft and we are nowhere near the salary cap.

I still think our gates will get better when the weather gets warmer and the footie season ends.

When a business does this type of thing it holds a meeting of all potential investors and at that meeting they appoint an interim management team, normally 2-3 people to manage the flotation.

When that has happened , the club has floated then they advertise the management postions and interview on behalf of the shareholders.

At the first shareholder meeting, the shareholders approve the recommendations from the interim management and then the new team takes over and runs the club going forward.

Leigh Centurions needs new management, ideas a fresh drive and to be managed properly without going from crisis to crisis like it does. New brush sweeps clean and that is what is needed.

There is a lot of good young management talent out there. With a flotation and structuring the debt the club stands a winning chance rather than where it is today with its current clueless management who are out of their depth!

Does that answer your question?

Apologies for what might seem stupid questions. Who gets rid of the board. Once the board is gone who is running the club ie who gets the potential investors together.

Salford Lad,

I hear what you are saying but its a lot worse than we think. Every gate needs at least another 800 + on to carry on with the current plan.

No matter what is in the budget or the salary cap says if money is not coming in then the budget aint worth a cent or the paper its written on.

Nice weather etc will not do anything like that. Plus we need another Leeds or halifax play off game to boost the attendances for the remainder of the season. IF and buts again...............

If the club carries on as it is, it might not make the nice warm weather you talk of!

I hope I am wrong but tonight because the club spit its dummy with Sheffield we will lose money, that is stupidity at the highest degree when you are broke like leigh are.

Deamon UK,

Your questions are valid. Do you know something it all starts here with threads like this. But at some point the management have to hold their hands and be accountable. People like the other night at the LISA meeting, Trevor, who know they are in the , use attack as there only defence.

There are enough people who love this club who can make this happen and they will when they know what the real truth and how serious it is.

We can carry on as we are but unless something remarkable happens we are on a very slippery slope, we are only a few weeks away from the club closing its doors for good, and that is with the £15K LISA has put in!

All sounding a bit sensationalist and more than a bit wearing to me, personally.

I'm enjoying what your writing so far but lets not go overboard