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| Apparently he was offered terrible money to stay
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| Quote ="Peter Kay"Apparently he was offered terrible money to stay'"
Probably proportionate pay to the amount of training he's willing to put in...
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| Looks like the ones who spat the dummies out,are out.
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| You would spit dummy out with money offered few more to follow
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| One things for sure, we wont be averaging 6300 next season !!!
I personally would have retained Sam but he really had a disappointing season last season and was found wanting at times.
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| Hoppy's been one of our best forwards for the last 2 seasons IMO
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| Quote ="Montyburns"You would spit dummy out with money offered few more to follow'"
What money do you think they deserve after being relegated?
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| He's been ok. Has more go forward than most of our pack, but also has plenty of mistakes in him. Still can't do as many minutes as you'd hope as well
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| Quote ="Snowy"One things for sure, we wont be averaging 6300 next season !!!
I personally would have retained Sam but he really had a disappointing season last season and was found wanting at times.'"
No, but I wouldn't have Hopkins as a 'bums on seats' signing.
I suspect KC is finding a number of contracts offered by DB over the last 12-24 months to be excessive.
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| Paterson, Hopkins, Vea, Stewart, Hock, Maria, Pellisier, Hood and Green out, Thompson in ? some pack we'll have
Nowt like continuity
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| Quote ="LeythIg"
I suspect KC is finding a number of contracts offered by DB over the last 12-24 months to be excessive.'"
Bingo !! They are / were on unbelievable money and it was a real eye opener to KC !! Collectively they have all been paid way way over the odds. When that is so, the minimum expected in return is commitment.
As for Hopkins and you have already alluded to it, perhaps the biggest clue of all is in his nick name.
Let's be clea,r the gravy train is over and if anyone wants any decent money that may be on offer, they have to earn it.
Welcome to Leigh RLFC 2018 .
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"Bingo !! They are / were on unbelievable money and it was a real eye opener to KC !! Collectively they have all been paid way way over the odds. When that is so, the minimum expected in return is commitment.
As for Hopkins and you have already alluded to it, perhaps the biggest clue of all is in his nick name.
Let's be clea,r the gravy train is over and if anyone wants any decent money that may be on offer, they have to earn it.
Welcome to Leigh RLFC 2018 .'"
Think you have nailed it there pal. Silly money paid as we didn't have the experience in place to know market value, I expect agents have had a field day, not the players fault for accepting above value deals
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| Quote ="Snowy"One things for sure, we wont be averaging 6300 next season !!!
I personally would have retained Sam but he really had a disappointing season last season and was found wanting at times.'"
Totally agree. The retainment of players should be based on the season in question. Not whats gone before.
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| Contract payments will always be an area of debate, whose worth it and who is not! I think it became very obvious to most during the season just who wasn't worth a contract at all!
Glen Stewart was hailed as a bit of a coup signing for Leigh and many have criticised his performances throughout the season however, his defence was excellent and he was usually amongst the top tacklers! the MPG showed he made over fifty tackles and that's not the performance of someone who wasn't trying! Whoever had him playing first receiver made a big mistake because this was not Stewarts game!
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| Quote ="kirkhall"Contract payments will always be an area of debate, whose worth it and who is not! I think it became very obvious to most during the season just who wasn't worth a contract at all!
Glen Stewart was hailed as a bit of a coup signing for Leigh and many have criticised his performances throughout the season however, his defence was excellent and he was usually amongst the top tacklers! the MPG showed he made over fifty tackles and that's not the performance of someone who wasn't trying! Whoever had him playing first receiver made a big mistake because this was not Stewarts game!'"
1 swallow a summer does not make though.. He was ok in the last game of the season, pretty poor for the rest.
Also tackle stats can be misleading as he could be the 3rd tackler.
I believe it was Stewart who took it upon himself to tell Riddy to go move and he'd play standoff, and then having a mare.
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| It makes no difference what role he/they had.They simply were not good enough.
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| Correct, not many of his tackles were first contact. Anyone who plays 80 mins in the middle of a team who gets hammered regularly is going to be making 40 plus tackles . Wonder what his missed tackles and metres makes stats were for the year?
He earned the same salary last year as Zak Hardaker. Which in utterly bonkers.
With regard to the recent contract negotiations I agree that some high end contracts need to be curbed however it seems that we are also trying to curb the salaries of some who were in the low end of the salary scale too. Players who do care about the club and may have been undervalued for some time.
At the end of the day, as the saying goes, if you pay peanuts....
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| Quote ="davo1979"Correct, not many of his tackles were first contact. Anyone who plays 80 mins in the middle of a team who gets hammered regularly is going to be making 40 plus tackles . Wonder what his missed tackles and metres makes stats were for the year?
He earned the same salary last year as Zak Hardaker. Which in utterly bonkers.
With regard to the recent contract negotiations I agree that some high end contracts need to be curbed however it seems that we are also trying to curb the salaries of some who were in the low end of the salary scale too. Players who do care about the club and may have been undervalued for some time.
At the end of the day, as the saying goes, if you pay peanuts....'"
He'll be earning more than Zak Hardaker next year....
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| also if you pay out more than what comes in you have a real problem around the corner. Derek paid for his dream, we should not be expecting him to do so again, I would much rather see realism and fans taking ownership of what budget is available by buying ST's. Realistically our income will drop by £1.5-2m based on 4000 gates, we need to cut the expenditure accordingly
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| Quote ="davo1979"Correct, not many of his tackles were first contact. Anyone who plays 80 mins in the middle of a team who gets hammered regularly is going to be making 40 plus tackles . Wonder what his missed tackles and metres makes stats were for the year?
He earned the same salary last year as Zak Hardaker. Which in utterly bonkers.
With regard to the recent contract negotiations I agree that some high end contracts need to be curbed however it seems that we are also trying to curb the salaries of some who were in the low end of the salary scale too. Players who do care about the club and may have been undervalued for some time.
At the end of the day, as the saying goes, if you pay peanuts....'"
Players who do care,have shown their true colours.KC will show no sentiment and thats an element thats been missing,regardless of who you are.
We can all agree/disagree with in's and out's,but there does seem to be a very clear plan in place and someone at the helm is executing it.
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| Quote ="maurice"also if you pay out more than what comes in you have a real problem around the corner. Derek paid for his dream, we should not be expecting him to do so again, I would much rather see realism and fans taking ownership of what budget is available by buying ST's. Realistically our income will drop by £1.5-2m based on 4000 gates, we need to cut the expenditure accordingly'"
He stated he would go full cap again next season Mo. Whether we expect him to or not,he has made his choice. You keep pushing the ST,are you on commission?
DB stated no point in buying season tickets until we know what squad we are supporting..Lets go with what he says first.
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| Quote ="atomic"He stated he would go full cap again next season Mo. Whether we expect him to or not,he has made his choice. You keep pushing the ST,are you on commission?
DB stated no point in buying season tickets until we know what squad we are supporting..Lets go with what he says first.'"
Can we buy ST's yet? - didn't think so!!
When available its vital they are accessible to all, and that we support the ambition of OUR club - I will miss more than I get to next season but I will buy the ST and hope others in a similar position do the same - that way we send the correct signal to our owner and the RFL - like HKR fans did last year and Salford fans didn't.
Didn't know he had stated Full Cap btw, if so as fans should we just say great and not financially support him??
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| Quote ="maurice"Can we buy ST's yet? - didn't think so!!
When available its vital they are accessible to all, and that we support the ambition of OUR club - I will miss more than I get to next season but I will buy the ST and hope others in a similar position do the same - that way we send the correct signal to our owner and the RFL - like HKR fans did last year and Salford fans didn't.
Didn't know he had stated Full Cap btw, if so as fans should we just say great and not financially support him??'"
We currently have what? Eight signed up?... How can we financially support him at present? What should the fans do?
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