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| He will get a ban... but if brown takes it cleanly and doesn't bobble the ball contact would be on the chest which has too be taken into account.. wasn't done intentionally
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| The arm strays to the wrong place.But I dont think Brown was concussed.Which merits the arm landing somewhere else.
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| Quote ="mr. chairman"sorry read your post wrong your saying he was concussed then . well only one way i know to get concussed and that's a blow to the head'"
Is the next step to have a concussion test?
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| Quote ="mr. chairman"didn't need one for me after watching his legs wobble for a few minutes'"
Dosent mean he cant pass the concussion test..
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| Quote ="mr. chairman"i could be hit with a te ton truck and pass a head test the doctors observations carry more weight than a head test'"
He was conscious when he =#40FF00walked off the field..15 mins allowed..
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| Brown was out cold momentarily. Any player knocked unconscious irrespective of Length should not re-enter the field of play so the right decision from me.
The juggling of the ball didnt help, but he should cop a ban for that.
Lineham is a different kettle of fish though. That WAS even worse.
Both should have had a red but Warrington would still be trying to score now whether we had 12 on the field or 13 !!
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| Quote ="mr. chairman"agree snowy line ham should have been a red and warrington were total rubbish and leigh surely can't play any better can they'"
The quite deliberate elbow should indeed have seen red. However seemingly being hit high whilst perhaps ducking into a secondary tackler is (or should be) open to serious consideration. Children (and often the Judiciary, sadly) tend to look at the fallout from an action rather than the intent. Bongser does hope that there is no long term damage, but discussing concussion et al, rather than intent is, at best, childish when deeming whether further punishment is necessary.
FFS - that's coming from Bongser
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| The point is did Brown have a concussion test? If what you are all saying is true, then in the interest of player welfare,should Brown have been sat in the dug out drinking water?
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| They will both be banned, they both made deliberate attacks to the head.
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| Quote ="reffy"They will both be banned, they both made deliberate attacks to the head.'"
correct....
Stewart's shot cant be defended it was as good a shot on the button as your likely to see. I wish we had a player of his calibre and agression.
Lineham, I was feeling the frustration for him he was our only decent player and has been throughout this mess, it was about the third time he had been pulled back or obstructed off the ball frustration got the better of him. But you cant swing an elbow at anyone.
no more than 2 matches for either player.
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| Quote ="atomic"The point is did Brown have a concussion test? If what you are all saying is true, then in the interest of player welfare,should Brown have been sat in the dug out drinking water?'"
yes he had a concussion test ... A medical Practitioner saw that he exhibited 3 category one concussion symptons i.e a Confirmed loss of consciousness, No protective action in fall to ground and Ataxia (unsteady on his feet)
from that moment on the very clever man or women usually called a doctor, can sufficiently say he is/or has been concussed and is not fit to return to the field to play a highly physical sport but he is ok to rest up and have drink of water....
the very last thing on his/her mind is to Keep Kevin Brown off the pitch just so it looks worse for Glenn Stewart...
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| Not sure I’d class either as deliberate, both made contact with the head and therefore they’ll get a couple of game bans, but I don’t think either Lineham or Stewart’s had intent.
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| Quote ="reffy"They will both be banned, they both made deliberate attacks to the head.'"
Yep and rightly so. You can't defend either action even if one was clumsy. Personally I think Glen will get 4 games and same for the Wire lad.
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| Watched it a couple of times and Stewart had no intent to go high in the tackle, his job all night was having brown in his pocket, he moved in quickly, brown had a quick look, fumbled and this caused the contact to the head as he stooped to retain the ball. Hope he is well and recovers quickly. Lineham was intent, yes borne from frustration but that is not a defence against intent
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| I thought Brown was changing his stance and shape constantly juggling for control of the ball and was slightly ducking into Stewart's arm at impact , which would have been on Brown's chest if Brown had full control of the ball
That's how I would defend it anyway , looking at 2 games maximum
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| Mo, you are as bad interpreting action on the pitch as you are with reporting on ticket sales, both are very poor.
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| Quote ="reffy"Mo, you are as bad interpreting action on the pitch as you are with reporting on ticket sales, both are very poor.'"
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| Quote ="maurice"Watched it a couple of times and Stewart had no intent to go high in the tackle, his job all night was having brown in his pocket, he moved in quickly, brown had a quick look, fumbled and this caused the contact to the head as he stooped to retain the ball. Hope he is well and recovers quickly. Lineham was intent, yes borne from frustration but that is not a defence against intent'"
I assume this is another of your wind ups, you cannot condone what Stewart did - the intent was clear to see, Brown had got control of the ball well before Stewart got there.
Have to say as an aside Stewart looks a class act - we are certainly not short of quality back rowers
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| Keith you know as a ref I would never have sent you off. I can also confirm that the Humbles would have never won a game I officiated in also
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| Have you read about the 3 clubs in the NRL who all received heavy fines for not removing players from the field who were clearly concussed, Newcastle Knights, St George Dragons and Gold Coast Titans. At least in super league its taken seriously.
Both players will receive bans but in stuarts defence browns legs start to bend just before the contact and therefore hitting him higher than intended.
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| Both have been charged with grade C offences which carry a 2-3 game ban. Both have the early guilty plea available.
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| Quote ="deepuspannus"Have you read about the 3 clubs in the NRL who all received heavy fines for not removing players from the field who were clearly concussed, Newcastle Knights, St George Dragons and Gold Coast Titans. At least in super league its taken seriously.
Both players will receive bans but in stuarts defence browns legs start to bend just before the contact and therefore hitting him higher than intended.'"
Spot on.
Watched the whole match back twice now & those 2 incidents several times over.
Brown did change step & his body height by bending/ducking etc fractionally before impact, Stewart will get a ban & rightly so, but the late change in body position by Brown did have an effect on the tackle.
Lineham lashing out was both intentional & cynical, ban on it's way also.
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| Lineham should get a bigger ban than Stewart.....though doesn't look like it will happen !
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| Agree that Lineham should be banned. Although, being fair to the lad, he had been rather cynically impeded, following up his kick, and was probably a tad aggrieved about that.
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