According to itv teletext Paul Cullen admits he faces a " long term fight " to " fix the problems behind the scenes " oh dear whats gone wrong there then anybody know?

Come on, it's not taken a genius to work out that the club isn't right. The club has relaxed into thinking that they deserve to do well, when we all know that this division takes nothing but hard work.

I now know why we've underachieved (IMO) in the last few years, and it seems that Cull is the only honest person in the last couple of years to pipe up and say/do something about it.

I reckon the chairman there has said listen enough is enough, I'm not putting further money in.

They don't pay for an away video crew

Theyve knocked aftermatch spas and all kinds of peripherial things on the head.

They have now come out and said they have just 9 full time pros in their squad of 27. It was all we are full time pro in the close season which raised expectation levels.

They have released one member of the squad (Loz Wildbore) and have 4 loaned elsewhere.

They have TKL - enough said.

John Stankevitch has now left them and Mick Cassidy has returned.

Paul Cullen was obviously not impressed by what he's seen but then again his own record is less than impressive. For me that Widnes side was a solid squad and should have been doing a lot better.

Widnes did ok when John Stankevitch was in temporary charge.

This is what I thought too...

I think in time he'll become a very good coach will John.

The sqaud deffinately looks good on paper so was expecting them to do better regardless of behind the scenes troubles but this is'nt the case ,did'nt know stankevitch had gone was that when Cullen arrived?

No he's gone in the last couple of days.

Think it's harsh on him to be fair although I understand he was on a full time contract there and Widnes wanted to make the post part time so no wonder he left.

This is a tough division - alot tougher than many might think.

This year, it is Halifax and Barrows turn at the top...next yera it will be someone else.

Has Widnes put all their eggs in 1 basket maybe the the folk who moaned about our team and the fact we did'nt "sign" anyone big {name wise } except for Donlan should be glad as we could have been in the same situation (hopefully we are ok )

You hope!

Seriously, you're just not listening are you!

The call for full time was made after we lost the licence, before the finance change. Plus, you can't neccessarily sign a full time squad as not all players want to be full time, this was the case with alot of players we signed.

The main problem we've had this year is players attitudes and the fact that we bizarrly don't train together, something Cull is rectifying, hence the release of Wildbore as he lives and works in Hull (not financial). The fact that we not train in the evenings means that the assistant coach role is part time, in these times you can't pay someone a good wage when they're not required for most of the time (not financial).

You fail to mention that we are actually signing people on loan and employing people (Cassidy) for roles within the club, so how are we doing this if the chairman isn't putting money into the club?

The club was poorly organised by the previous coach and it's something that will take time. I think Cull can only be admired for being so bold to make these major changes.

How can signing players on load be a sign of stability? They may only be there for a month? Workington have just signed loads of players on loan and i wouldnt imagine that people think that they are a stable club currently. Is SOC getting cold feet? Promised to kepp the squad full time then goes back on his word. Sacking coaches, Bringing in one that doesnt appear to be any good. Might have have the Championship version of Newcastle Utd on our hands.

I give up, seriously if you're going to make an arguement then at least give the whole picture. We're bring players in, you fail to mention that we've employed Mick Cassidy on a full time basis, convenient. If you want to think that SOC is getting 'cold feet' then fine, it allows you to detect from whats happening at Leigh this year and the embarrassing situations you seem to find yourself in (posts from your own fans).

SOC has backed his coach who is making massive changes at the club, for the long term success, it isn't going to change over night, the down side is that this is being done during a season and not in the close season.

I have no interest in Leighs problems. Part of your picutre however is you have appointed Mick Cassidy, but sacked John Stanky so....you do the maths here...have you invested...or have you cut costs? You have signed players on loan, and let players leave either on loan or released...is this investing or again just making things equal out? The main thing is....your chairman stating you will be full time until you are in SL. So your squad was mainly part time with a few full timers...so instead of SOC funding a FULL full time squad to change your season...he has opted for the part time option....is this and investment...or a cost cutting exercise?

We can speculate but there's only one person that can answer that question, the chairman. My personal opinion is that we don't need the money that much, they were all business decisions, something this club has had a pure lack of making in the past hence the administration and our failure to get a SL licence.

I very much doubt our chairman would have let everyone in for free twice this season if he desperately needed the money.

Not as many as usual for their NRC quarter final 1651. Almost as many as Harlequins and Crusaders in Non relegation League.

Pee poor atmosphere there tonight and the final winning margin flattered Widnes somewhat.

For sixty minutes York were well in with a chance but superior fitness showed plus the fact that Lord Lucan AKA TKL decided to pull on a jersey and then play to score a high quality hat-trick.

Craig Hall is a handy signing at this level.

Widnes look at their most dangerous when Smith takes flight from dummy half and I thought he had a pretty good game tonight. Gannon went well and boy were Widnes glad to have Gaskell in. His dummy half runs killed York at times.

Varkulis went on at 2nd row and looked far more useful while Pickersgill I thought went really well, particularly in his first spell on the field.

York had good performers themselves in fullback Ratcliffe, the March brothers, Mark Applegarth and Chris Clough - those two used late footwork to good effect with applegarth able to hit and spin and get the offload away. Paul Hughes at hooker was the revelation in the game until around an hour in when the York challenge began to fade, but its the second time i've seen them this season and they are of very similar quality to the bottom 4 sides in our competition and deserve credit for the way they try and play.

It may surprise you to know that business decisions can often be taken when the processes aren't working out right and not just for the financial reasons you so eagerly claim.

The set up at the club hasn't been working, Cullen is here to change that.

HTH

What utter rot. Keep taking the drugs lad.

I also hear that widnes' very own professional troll has been released from his contract.

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A fair assessment Mr P, it's nice to see you Leythers taking the trip down to the Stobart.

True. but they can also be a sign of potential trouble.

You don't answer the questions I asked though.

Ok just for your benefit then.



Explain then how it can be a sign of instability? I'll give you two reasons (already explained to you by AJ) why these loan signings mean nothing in terms of financial stability. We recruited poorly in the off season leaving us short in key positions. We've off loaded players who haven't performed or who cannot commit to the training regime. Given our options PC does not see any players who can sign permanent deals that could offer us better than our loan signings do.



How can you compare us with a club like Workington? A division lower than us, operating on a much lower budget, with much lower crowds. Many loan deals end up being rolling month to month deals anyway.



Did he promise to keep a full time squad? Point me the direction of that quote please.



A coach who consistently failed to achieve even with everything at his disposal. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it quite the norm to sack an underperforming coach?



In your opinion, which doesn't appear to be particularly well informed. Cullen took Wire from relegation fodder to top 4 in SL. Can't have been that bad a coach surely?



Like I said, keep taking the drugs.

So, even in the face of all the facts about our club and recent events going on there, you're still unable to be convinced that our problems are far from being financial?