The reason you only agree with Latchfordbob is cos you're both football snobs.


Edit: and just to clarify, thats not meant as an insult, but its very aparent with yourself for a while, and in this thread with bob that you're both very very hardline football 'fanatics', and dont seem to be very big fans/supporters of 'rugby league'.

I had a meeting with the stadium manager on Tuesday. We have talked about a few different things like flags, match day music, where to stand and more. Spoke about how loud the music is, but I don’t think that will change. The only thing they will do is use different songs. We have come to the decision to move down to the away end so we will be able to have banter with the away fans. If you would like to join us then we will be at the south west corner not south east on Friday.

They probably achieve the same as wearing a scarf, a top or waving a flag. It's just a show of colours. I wouldn't take a smoke bomb or a flare to the game but they do look good and do spark some atmosphere, if the people who are there want it. Which from your comments, you don't, which is fair enough.

I wouldn't say I've ever seen scared kids. My lad is 11 and a smoke bomb was in front of him on the pitch about 6 foot away. It didn't bother him in the slightest. He said he enjoyed it more than anything. He said the whole day was one of the best games he's been at. All because of the atmosphere. He mentioned how much better it was than at the Wire matches.

About 6 feet the other side of the same smoke bomb was a dog. He didn't seem perturbed by it either.



It's pretty much like the South Stand really. I'd say more children go in the South Stand. They are very much a club by the fans, for the fans. Everyone has the chance to be a member and every member has 1 vote on major decisions at the club no matter how much money you have put in. The season tickets are priced on a pay what you can afford basis. I think the minimum price is £90 for adults, but if you can't afford that because of your circumstances, you can get in touch and they'll help you out.

Some pay the £90 whilst other pay over £500. They also do a lot of work in the community and not all are football related.



That's not entirely true. I don't go to many football games any more. The ones I do go to are usually youth team, reserve or amateur levels. Yet I've got a season ticket at Warrington and probably watch as much RL on TV as I do football.

But when people talk about atmosphere at Rugby and how to improve it, they need to look at what some football clubs are doing and follow their example. They probably want a better atmosphere at the games because of when they've seen or experienced at football games either live or on the tele.

Exactly.

As for smoke bombs, I've been right in the middle of them. They sting your eyes but they don't half galvanise the support as plenty of bouncing and singing tends to go with them, and in my experience kids love them.

For the record I don't take them personally either.

I go to more football games than RL games because the football season is longer and more games take place. I'm a regular at both though. I don't go to either to sing songs (obviously I get caught up in it at times, but it's not my initial motivation) because I'm 33 years old, but my posts are based on my own experiences. Most people are looking to football clubs (and often European Ultra groups which there is zero understanding of on here as seen when the Brigantes started) when they talk about atmosphere.

Just having a read through this as nothing seems to be happening on our board - and I need something to take my mind off revision. But I totally agree with this as an outsider.

I admit that the atmosphere at langtree park isn't great (was a stupid idea to put the standing part of the ground behind the sticks, but that's a different matter), but when I go to the HJ as an away fan I never hear what you lot are singing because the 'singing' element of your support seem to be too far away. I can barely hear the monotonous drone of a few drum beats every so often. When I watch the game back I can hear you. It is weird.

If you move closer to the away end then I think that will make some difference as both sets of fans can then play off each other.



I also agree with this. I honestly couldn't tell you what 'your song' is and I do find this odd considering that most other teams have 'a song'.

We have the obvious 'Oh When the Saints...' and now the 'Light up My Senses' song (which can also be heard at Sheffield United, so not all that original I do not think). Leeds, although obviously copied from Leeds Utd, still have 'a song' that is associated with them in SL. Hull 'Old Faithful' is superb, love that one. Etc, etc.

Drums are ridiculous and that limits what you can sing. Drums are terrible. Get rid and allow the atmosphere to grow rather than forcing it with 2/3 songs that can only be partnered with a drum.

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Here is a picture for all you smoke bomb lovers. TBH i am not to bothered with them. They don't really affect me, but i can see why people don't like them.

Re 'our song'. I'd suggest 'god bless my home' as its that type of song but nobody seems to know the words.

I Watch Rugby league because the game is superb entertainment if the atmosphere is also superb then its a double bonus.

footballs a bit so I can understand why people go to watch the crowd and if the games ok then they get a double bonus ...

too many times at Anfield I got fired up by a sing a long to 1960's record then when it finished we sat down to be bored less for the next hour and a half..... that the price and the attitude of locals stopped me going.

I'll watch Rugby league if I'm the last fan standing it wont be popular like Soccer or one direction or Britains got Talent.....but so what.....I started watching the game as a twelve year old in 1979 when Ian Van Belan was smashing all and sundry for bradford Northern on a cold September afternoon it was fist fights high tackles red cards and Stretchers galore.... I couldnt wait for the next game and I've been going ever since......who sang what ....??? I couldnt give two s...........

Lots of interesting views all round here, with one common theme developing. Lose The Drums. They make noise, not atmosphere.

Thing is seb I think listening to this Board and having the views on here taken as the views of the wider fan actually cost the club its atmosphere. how many people post on here fifty...one hundred....? listen to latchford bob and Dropkick they dont actually like or respect the game, they "suffer it" because they live in the town...we cant have them as the voice of 10,000 fans.

on the old wolf web there was a movement to make the Railway end at wilderspool the home end because it was bigger and the accustics better but the "barmy army" tried it for one game and the rest of us Fletcher enders stayed where we were thank you very much.....

but then with the move to the the HJ a few souls voiced the opinion of "hey look at the successful clubs who have the fans along the touchline, why dont we do that in our new stadium." and hence 200 mongy salford fans packed in behind the sticks make more noise than the monster that is the South stand.

we should have stayed behind the sticks and this thread wouldnt exist........

I'd go further and say the drums are killing the atmosphere. Every game will have it's ebbs and flows, and the game should dictate the atmosphere not somebody with a stick. There have been many a moment where you feel the tension build, we are defending a consecutive set on our line, only to have it broken by said plank with his stick. I don't mind singing, I'm not too good at it, but I'll join in if the mood takes me, I don't need some lover with a drum telling when I should do so, the game will do that for me.

I haven't lived in the town for over a decade because I can't stand the place. I love the game so make the train journey back to watch it regularly. Hope that helps.

Sorry but that looks like a cut from the Inbetweeners Movie. Presumably the same plonkers who threw up after a sniff of the barmaid's apron then set one of em off. The little drummer boys didn't travel to Hull FC in January, there can't have been more than 150 or so and there was no paraphernalia. Yet for a small group we made a fair bit of noise.

Completely agree with TFB and 1905. The soccer superiority complex which arises from going to the odd game and dressing in clothes which Ian Brown dropped off at St Roccos in the nineties really does bore me. I love rugby league and really don't care what they do in the round ball code. I live that on away days I can walk into a pub wearing colours without hesitation. I can travel to away games on the train from Hull, I don't have to go back to Warrington to be put on a police escorted coach. I've been in town when Millwall and Leeds come to play, it's not very nice. I'm sure football fans have a lovely time, but lets keep the two seperate eh.

I think you will find that we did go to hull but drums are not allowed. It was us lot making that noise.

There we go then, QED. No need for the things! Leave em at home. I'm sure the Salvation Army are always looking for additions to their percussion section.

Wigan away, Magic Weekend, games that proved that drums do add to the atmosphere. You weren't complaining about them then. I think basing your argument on an away match is pretty pointless when this whole thread is about home games. Away Games will always be better because you go to the match as Warrington fans together, not split up into north standers, east standers, south standers. That’s one thing we want to do as well, unify the support. Home games are very dull. No singing, no colour, no passion and that’s what we want to improve. Warrington is one of the best teams in England and we should be celebrating our clubs recent success.

Ok then, lets talk home games. Craven Park is probably the most intimidating home atmosphere. No drums. When you are stood right next to one I appreciate it may sound good to you. But move away and it's just a nuisance. Warrington have been playing a brilliant style of football the past couple of years, I'm happily enjoying that. I don't need drum induced tinnitus to enjoy a game.

I appreciate you have good intentions etc I just don't think drums and yellow smoke achieve anything.

As we're playing you tonight, here's my two penn'orth.

Since drums and instruments were banned at the KC from the get-go, the atmosphere has been up and down, dependent largely on who we're playing and the quality of rugby on show.

The derby on Good Friday started well but as FC's performance became worse, it changed to being a Rovers' singalong, which kept the noise levels high. When we played Crusaders in the cup, their 2/300 fans were singing throughout the game and kept the atmosphere going (FC's players applauded them at the end, as did the fans) and against Wigan, which despite the result was one of our best performances of the season, our fans kept the atmosphere going, because we were playing well and it was an exciting game.

You guys always seem to play exciting, flowing rugby, have a compact ground that should encourage increased noise levels and have the ability to conjure great play/tries from nothing, so you shouldn't need drums to create an atmosphere.

Compact ground ?

Compared to the DW, the KC and Galpharm (or whatever they call it now), yes.

If we ever leave the KC, it's the sort of stadium I would want for us. Maybe slightly bigger, but a similar design.

Hang on, the reason the Salford fans were making noise was because they were singing - not because they were stood behind the sticks. And, they didn't need drums.

Can't agree with that. Games like that always have a great atmosphere. The drums don't add to that.



Spot on.



Can't agree with that either. Home games CAN be dull. More to with the demographics of the fans and the raised expectations from success meaning we expect to win most game, hence doing so is not that exciting, more pleasing to watch. When the occasion calls for it I make plenty of noise and the atmosphere can be fantastic, but must admit for most games I just concentrate on watching the game.



Fair play, I think everyone backs you wanting to improve although can't agree that there is NONE of the above things. I hear singing at every game (and sometimes join in), see loads of people wearing colours (usually including me) and there is certainly no shortage of passion. But sure, yes please help to improve it. Just without the drums, please?



Spot on.

Salford fans, who appear to be anti drum and jester hats, were singing because they were away from home and getting tonked, a kind of Dunkrk spirit if you like?

As has been said elsewhere, it's sometimes easier to galvanise support away from home, but, good luck to those that are at least having a go. The message seems to be join in if you want, or don't it's your choice, but, if your like minded, we (they) will be here in this particular corner having a go, that's their choice surely?

It's obviously a decent topic to 'debate', given the longevity of this thread and the number and variety of opinions expressed. However, for what its worth, the success or failure of this enterprise will not depend on what's posted on here. I don't think that the Fletcher, Salford's Shed, the Stretford End, Kop, Gwladys St or Kippax etc were/are democratic 'institutions', they just are what they are had a life of their own and you either want to be in it or not IMO.

May be thta's what all this is about finding a sense of place for those that want to be vocal? (i nearly said make some noise for your....nah)

that sums up how i remember the fletch. When i started going as a teenager without parental responsibility i went and there were grownups in there, that sang certain songs, so me and my mates sang them, they said certain things, so we learned WHY they said them and they insulted certain players, ie calling mark aston a house ALL THE TIME, it was growing up learning to be part of something.

As has been discussed onhere many times, that sort of thing, i dont know if lost is the right word, but its not been cultivated at the HJ, there's a change in attendees now with the husbands and wives and kids, its a different attitude entirely,hence why there's this perceived lethargy, its not missing, it wasn't there to begin with at the H&J

I agree, but, would add that as vocal elements are usually sections within a crowd, once this particular 'choir' find their place, they might just find their 'demographic' and voices and encourage others to find theirs.

For what its worth, I enjoyed my 'growing up time' in the 70's in both the Fletch' and Stretford Ends (yes it is possible to like more than one sport) and I would like to think that others get their time