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| Sheridan should be relieved of his duties immediately.
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| Quote ="Or thane"Ok so if Powell did leave what magic coach would we bring in to turn the season round in 6 games, Tony Smith?
Also i understand the frustration with whoever is in charge of our defensive game, BUT and it's a big but.....these are proffessional rugby players who know how to tackle and hold a line. They're not people who have never played a game before and can't tackle unless told how to tackle, they aren't putting the effort in and that's on them for not doing as they are taught.
I've very much been in the Powell camp to give him time and build a culture and squad, and i belived we won't be relegated. But Toulouse can definately beat Hull KR and us and i think Wigan will wipe the floor with us so we'll be level with them and i think we are 50/50 for the drop now. Genuinely nervous now.'"
There isn't a magic coach, but what Powell has done, and continues to do, is not working. Relieving him of control of matters on the pitch would have enough of a positive effect for the match day 17 to play for the club, the supporters, whoever the caretaker coach is and each other. It's a gamble, but well worth taking as I cannot see us winning any of the six remaining fixtures with Powell in charge.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"Sheridan should be relieved of his duties immediately.'"
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Using a football analogy here, go and look at how Everton survived relegation in what was a similarly depressing season to the one we are enduring at Warrington.
Basically it's accepted that a split fanbase had to unite in the final weeks of the season to carry a poor side over the line of safety. I suspect we might have to do the same, yet some of our fans are almost going to do the opposite if the post I originally replied to is true.
By all means, at season's end we can review this disaster of a season, but until then it will surely be more beneficial to come together and become a 14th man on the pitch - that is ultimately what fans are supposed to do and is why the term 'home advantage' is a thing.'"
You seem to bè confusing supporters being critical of the teams poor performance with not supporting the club. It is because of their love of the club that they feel so strongly. I have no doubt that they all want the team to do well, avoid relegation and cheer them, however there are a lot of very unhappy people of how the team has been mismanaged this season when they were told that we were building for a better future under a new experienced coach. They feel badly let down and just like you, they make their feeliñgs known.
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| It's insane that Powell is still getting a pass by some members on
here. This season is an absolute travisity. Despite the reaching into our back pockets to change the team mid season, the players are still being coached in the same way, leading to the same miserable, spineless results week in week out. The way will wave the white flag, (game after game) as soon as we come under the mearest hint of opposition pressure is absurd, and frankly depressing. Powell was an experiment that sadly hasn't paid off, do we have to wait for relegation until the club acts. Anything has to be better than this dross.
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| Quote ="Bobby_Peru"It's insane that Powell is still getting a pass by some members on here.'"
Probably because we nearly beat Saints months ago
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"It's when I see posts like this that I actually think our 'fans' deserve to see the side relegated.
I mean, this guy is basically encouraging & supporting people to turn up and get on the player's backs. Then, when they inevitably get beat after putting up a display riddled with nerves and mistakes, this fella will rock up on questioning why the team performed in such a poor way.
I know many fans are worried and just a tad hacked off with the poor level of our performances, but it's about time some of us realised that continually slating the team can't be helping anyone - the team is obviously mentally fragile. Having their supposed fans on their backs from the off (as this pi!!ock is suggesting) can only end one way.
Sadly, I think many on here are now almost willing the side to lose now, purely so they can say 'I told you so' and gain some sort of kudos on here. Just look how this thread unfolded. Not a dicky bird when they were in front. Soon as they went behind, the mob were soon on here.
So basically, my message is - SUPPORT THE love!NG TEAM - they are supposed to be the team you support, not some excuse for trying to look a smart @rse on the internet. If you are going to stand on the terraces just to mouth off like this Wire2004 character, then I'd suggest you stay away and sit at home, because it's definitely more beneficial to everyone.'"
I’m sorry but this is utter garbage. Do you think that when people buy a ticket, drive 50 miles and give up a Saturday they do so just to say I told you so on an Internet forum?
Look, I’ve come across as one of the harshest critics of Powell’s appointment, and subsequent delivery. I’ve had many reasonable discussions on here, sighting my reasons and views as a paying customer. I have not and will not try to do anything to see my team lose and go down.
But, I retain the right to vent frustration at seeing a very capable group, which has seen significant investment, be so poorly prepared physically and mentally to a point that we have won 4 games since February, and can’t get a result against busted opponents with half of a squad.
The board and club are playing Russian roulette with the future of my club, my passion, the thing I do to relax/enjoy. I want to affect change, and that can come in many forms, including protest if I wish. I don’t want to see my club go down, or worse, collapse completely, and to avoid that I can see no choice but to remove the man responsible for preparing the team. Time and resources have been afforded, we are desperate now.
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| Does Fitzpatrick and co. realise how serious this is? In a previous post we are in real danger of dropping out of SL, tv money gone, supporters will vote with their feet, sales may possibly be the worst in our history , players signed for next year will probably have a clause in their cintracts about playing SL only, so bang goes the 'monster' pack!
On the positive, Powell & co. will be fired (don't know why, he'll probably be a supercoach..... In the championship and it won't matter if we ship 30+ points in as we'll possibly and I mean possibly score more.
In all my years including the Cas game under cullen I never thought we'd get to this point.
What a fekkin mess, at least we'll be able to watch (if attending the game) all Powells offloads.
Who's responsible for spending SM money he puts in? Bloody disgraceful.
You, whoever puts their hand up is either totally at their job but still enjoys a big salary and Vip gameday, and expect the faithful to have a day out to Cougar Park.... Possibly twice!
g0d help us.
This could be a very expensive 2023 for Simon Moran.
What a laughing stock of British RL we are.
Please Mr Powell & co Foxtrot Oscar.
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| Six games to go. 4 points clear of Toulouse with a better points difference. Probably 2 points ahead of them with 5 to play when we play them in a fortnight. Win that and I imagine we stay up. 4 points clear with 4 to go as I can’t see them winning 3 of their last 4 games.
It says so much about this season that I’m desperately hoping we can scrape one win from our last 6 games to keep our top level status.
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| Assuming they beat us. What about Saints having won the Dinner Plate putting their kids out for the final meaningless game. Now that's potentially
2 wins for Toulouse for starters. Their remaining fixtures are not very friendly I agree but this is squeaky bum time. It is essential we beat Toulouse.
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| Quote ="Wiremansam"Probably because we nearly beat Saints months ago'"
So did Wakefield
Toulouse actually beat them
Wigan got a good caning off them
What's your point? With the exception of the Magic game we've been abysmal from round 1.
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| He is stating that Powell (and the board) foolishly saw the nearly beating of Saints as some kind of victory and validation of Powells incredible coaching pedigree.
Powell went on about it for weeks afterwards forgetting that we actually lost. Being pleased when losing is what gets you relegated. I’m livid he’s still in post this morning.
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| The threads understandably very much another Powell Out one…. Did any one on here go? We’re there any chinks of light? Anything to cling to?
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| Quote ="ShropshireWire"The threads understandably very much another Powell Out one…. Did any one on here go? We’re there any chinks of light? Anything to cling to?'"
I went. There weren't many chinks of light. Dufty had a decent game but then got hurt.
Almost the entire second half was played in our 20, at the far end of the field from the away end, so it was hard to tell who was doing what and we rarely had the ball. Considering the weight of possession we were actually quite brave in defence but as I mentioned yesterday we seemed to have no idea how to get it back so we were just holding on by conceding penalties, 6 against and drop outs.
I definitely didn't walk away thinking anyone had put in less than 100% effort: we just had no clear direction or plan.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"So did Wakefield
Toulouse actually beat them
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What's your point? With the exception of the Magic game we've been abysmal from round 1.'"
Sorry Morrissey, was trying to be funny but there's nothing funny about this situation. Someone told me to "keep the faith" yesterday and we've got to give him at least 6 games next season. No we don't he needs to go now but I sick of talking about him now as he won't get sacked unless we lose to Toulouse.
He blames the players, the culture, luck, refs, injuries, everything but himself, take some responsibility at least.
Someone mentioned the fans getting on the players backs, the last time I went was Salford and the fans we're right behind them until the usual capitulation in the last 20 minutes. Fans can vent their anger at the final whistle (if they are still in attendance) as is their right as they want to see their club improve and be something they are proud of. We are currently a laughing stock and the Powell backing supporters are part of the problem and pack in singing "it's always are year" - it's not funny and won't ever be our year under Powell.
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I definitely didn't walk away thinking anyone had put in less than 100% effort: we just had no clear direction or plan.'"
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"It's when I see posts like this that I actually think our 'fans' deserve to see the side relegated.
I mean, this guy is basically encouraging & supporting people to turn up and get on the player's backs. Then, when they inevitably get beat after putting up a display riddled with nerves and mistakes, this fella will rock up on questioning why the team performed in such a poor way.
I know many fans are worried and just a tad hacked off with the poor level of our performances, but it's about time some of us realised that continually slating the team can't be helping anyone - the team is obviously mentally fragile. Having their supposed fans on their backs from the off (as this pi!!ock is suggesting) can only end one way.
Sadly, I think many on here are now almost willing the side to lose now, purely so they can say 'I told you so' and gain some sort of kudos on here. Just look how this thread unfolded. Not a dicky bird when they were in front. Soon as they went behind, the mob were soon on here.
So basically, my message is - SUPPORT THE love!NG TEAM - they are supposed to be the team you support, not some excuse for trying to look a smart @rse on the internet. If you are going to stand on the terraces just to mouth off like this Wire2004 character, then I'd suggest you stay away and sit at home, because it's definitely more beneficial to everyone.'"
Great Post this.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"It's when I see posts like this that I actually think our 'fans' deserve to see the side relegated.
I mean, this guy is basically encouraging & supporting people to turn up and get on the player's backs. Then, when they inevitably get beat after putting up a display riddled with nerves and mistakes, this fella will rock up on questioning why the team performed in such a poor way.
I know many fans are worried and just a tad hacked off with the poor level of our performances, but it's about time some of us realised that continually slating the team can't be helping anyone - the team is obviously mentally fragile. Having their supposed fans on their backs from the off (as this pi!!ock is suggesting) can only end one way.
Sadly, I think many on here are now almost willing the side to lose now, purely so they can say 'I told you so' and gain some sort of kudos on here. Just look how this thread unfolded. Not a dicky bird when they were in front. Soon as they went behind, the mob were soon on here.
So basically, my message is - SUPPORT THE love!NG TEAM - they are supposed to be the team you support, not some excuse for trying to look a smart @rse on the internet. If you are going to stand on the terraces just to mouth off like this Wire2004 character, then I'd suggest you stay away and sit at home, because it's definitely more beneficial to everyone.'"
And look at the comments after the Catalan victory..we are 10th with a real threat of relegation so fans are gunna be critical more so cos we've flung money after money on players some have took the preverbial.. hopefully we can scrape a victory from somewhere and our status in top flight rugby will continue...final note calling someone a pillock behind a keyboard is very brave of you..maybe you'll take a break from the forum like you did a while ago cos hardly anyone agreed with your comments
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"I’ve said before considering what is being dished up for us this season the fans at most games have been patient and willing to give this team the benefit of the doubt. That is now wearing thin.
This is the most painful season I’ve experienced in 40 years and it’s ALL down to the coach. Any booing at future games will more than likely be aimed at Powell and will be totally justified and that will be AFTER the fans have attempted to help this sorry bunch lift themselves.'"
(I'm not getting in to the Powell in/out debate)
Fans haven't been booing from the off, but they haven't backed the team either when I've been or watched on Sky. They only really sing when we're in front or holding on v saints.
Contrast this with the support Everton received in their relegation fight. Despite all the money spent, they were poor and the fans knew they weren't getting good value. But their fans still backed them 100% and imo, that probably kept them up.
If I weren't a Wire fan, I'd want us to be relegated. It seems to me, too many are spoilt upon previous success. I get that people are unhappy and have every right to be unhappy, but I'd rather teams with backing like Everton succeed over teams with backing like ours.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"(I'm not getting in to the Powell in/out debate)
Fans haven't been booing from the off, but they haven't backed the team either when I've been or watched on Sky. They only really sing when we're in front or holding on v saints.
Contrast this with the support Everton received in their relegation fight. Despite all the money spent, they were poor and the fans knew they weren't getting good value. But their fans still backed them 100% and imo, that probably kept them up.
If I weren't a Wire fan, I'd want us to be relegated. It seems to me, too many are spoilt upon previous success. I get that people are unhappy and have every right to be unhappy, but I'd rather teams with backing like Everton succeed over teams with backing like ours.'"
Exactly. Our fans like to portray themselves as some sort of loyal, barmy army, when, in reality, since the move away from Wilderspool & the increase of attendances, we have become the most entitled, deluded bunch of supporters in Super League, all on the back of us being the rich kids, who splash the cash about and so, in theory, becoming the Chelsea/Man City of RL.
I suppose the good thing about relegation will be that it will sort out the real fans from the bandwagon jumpers?....
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| Quote ="Gazwire"(I'm not getting in to the Powell in/out debate)
Fans haven't been booing from the off, but they haven't backed the team either when I've been or watched on Sky. They only really sing when we're in front or holding on v saints.
Contrast this with the support Everton received in their relegation fight. Despite all the money spent, they were poor and the fans knew they weren't getting good value. But their fans still backed them 100% and imo, that probably kept them up.
If I weren't a Wire fan, I'd want us to be relegated. It seems to me, too many are spoilt upon previous success. I get that people are unhappy and have every right to be unhappy, but I'd rather teams with backing like Everton succeed over teams with backing like ours.'"
Perhaps Everton stayed up because Frank Lampard's skills in man management, coaching and media engagement with supporters, are far superior than that of Daryl Powell?
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| Quote ="Wiremansam"The fans didn't keep Everton up, the board sacking Benitez did. A coach who didn't fit the club and didn't have the backing of the fans, sound familiar?'"
Benitez had as good a record as Lampard, didn't he? .....
The fact was, Lampard's appointment changed nothing and it took the fans to actually get behind the team to change things....
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| There’s one tiny flaw in your Everton argument and that is that Everton had got rid of their ‘Powell’.
I’ll be there against Toulouse and I’ll be cheering them on, as will 99.9% of the fans. I’ll be cheering them on if we go behind but if at the end we have lost to Toulouse and our SL status is in real jeopardy I’ll probably be lobbing eggs at the Warrington Fabrication box.
I know plenty of Everton fans and they would’ve been at Benitez’ throat right up the point of relegation had he still been there.
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