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| Quote ="Moving Forward"12 games in a Warrington shirt and everyone wants him hung, drawn and quartered. Some people have very shot memories, remember what happened with Matt King? I shall be bringing this thread back up at a later date, maybe when he scores 16 tries in the Grand Final and we take Bevan's statue down and replace him with Lineham. Cut him some slack, he will come good.
Keep the faith'"
I don't think anyone wants him 'hung, drawn and quartered' (well I don't at least).
I do think it's reasonable to question how well all our new signings are doing - including Tom.
He's the player who's impressed me with his try scoring - which is a big part of why we signed him - but he's got areas for improvement. The Saints match showed those.
Defensively - not so strong particularly given his size. Pushed off a couple of times and Hughes covered.
Concentration - my view is that he should have taken the kick off that went between him and Hughes.
Concentration - touching the ball as it went out from a Saints kick - he was only saved by his foot being in touch (and I doubt he planned that).
There are other things also but fixing the above is the priority. (All players have things to work on and they concentrate on their own 'priorities', so he's no different in that area.
The coaches will be working with him and I expect us to see improvements to his game through the year.
If he's got a rugby brain he'll learn and fix those issues.
Not all players learn though (Richie Barnett never improved his catching of the high ball for instance during his tine at Hull and here), but Agar in particular must be confident he can.
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| maybe when he scores 16 tries in the Grand Final and we take Bevan's statue down and replace him with Lineham
I think we would have to put a stronger plinth in
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| His metal ar*e would never fit there now that the NE corner is filled in.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"FFS
I'm offended by Wire "fans" CONSTANTLY having a pop at a player, whilst being
a) top of the league
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d) said player scoring regularly
yes, he's making some mistakes, doesn't everyone, he's doing what he did at Hull....scoring regularly but making the odd mistake. In short, he's doing what we expected. Shouldn't the whingers be directing their ire at Smith and Agar (mind you, Agar's had more stick than necessary) for not addressing Lineham's shortcomings.
Warrington fans.....you can't beat 'em.....shame, in SOME circumstances.
We lost that game COLLECTIVELY. Not because of a winger.
Get a grip
I think we lost that game because we didn't convert enough 2 pointers, its disappointing when we have had great kickers over the years!
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| Quote ="Snaggletooth"
And conversely we didn't lose the game because of missed conversions. No game is ever lost on one aspect. You may as well point to the poor defensive reads, the lack of push on the ball carrier, poor attacking decisions etc etc etc etc etc
And with regard to Lineham he isn't a nineteen year old kid out of the Academy, he is an established player our club paid a lot of money for so he can and will be subject to scrutiny.
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| Didn't we also lose at Hull through missing the goal kicks.
It seems to me that,over the years, our best performances & trophy wins have happened when our goal kickers have been consistent. Hesford, J Bevan, Hodgson & for the oldies Fraser & Gilfedder among other great kickers.
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| Evans in for Lineham?
Dropped?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Evans in for Lineham?
Dropped?'"
Yes, disciplinary reasons.. its all in the team for this week thread.
out on the ale until 05.30 with Bailey the night we lost to saints.
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| Thanks MD.
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| we really missed him tonight.. terrible decision from Smith to remove him from the team.
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| I recall similar stuff about a certain henry faafili. He is primarily there to score and has been doing that. He has made a few errors and will learn from.them. Some ppl need to realise wingers are used differently nowadays!!
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| in what way is he different to Penny or Ormsby?
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| Quote ="Snaggletooth"in what way is he different to Penny or Ormsby?'"
He's different in that penny weighs the same as one of his cheeks.
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| Looks like he's playing for Rochdale this week...
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| Quote ="Man Mountain"Looks like he's playing for Rochdale this week...'"
Wow, if that's true I really do have to question Smith on this signing and wonder why he never had the bottle to drop Asotasi, I get that the imports weren't allowed to be dual reg'd but he seems to have the balls to drop a young English lad (rightly so) but not a useless antip
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Quote ="Wire Yed"Wow, if that's true I really do have to question Smith on this signing and wonder why he never had the bottle to drop Asotasi, I get that the imports weren't allowed to be dual reg'd but he seems to have the balls to drop a young English lad (rightly so) but not a useless antip'"
www.wirefm.com/news/local-sport/ ... s-weekend/
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Wow, if that's true I really do have to question Smith on this signing and wonder why he never had the bottle to drop Asotasi, '"
maybe he learnt a lesson.. OR maybe the club is signing players over his head.
maybe they arent.... its a possibility though.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"maybe he learnt a lesson.. OR maybe the club is signing players over his head.
maybe they arent.... its a possibility though.'"
OR Maybe they think it will make a difference to Lineham and he will learn a lesson when they knew that it wouldn't have made a scrap of difference in the 'new tricks' department to 'old dog' Roy?
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| Or maybe it's a case of 'Mrs Slocombe's Pussy' and we are missing the point ?
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| I think TS is making an example of Lineham, drop below the standard of play and professionalism of what is expected of you and it doesn't matter what your name is or how much you came for you will end up playing second grade rugby
I think it sends out a message to all the players as to what is expected from them this year and TS looks as though he is prepared to play hard ball to get what he demands
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| If the whole out drinking story is true them this can only be a good thing.
I like him he scores tries, all players can make mistakes and have room for improvement. I think he has been unfairly singled out against most with a price tag are.
He is a great prospect. Could do with working on his agility which I'm.sure he is but the signs of that won't jyst appear over night. Just wondering how many try he has scored??
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| Quote ="LJWire"I think TS is making an example of Lineham, drop below the standard of play and professionalism of what is expected of you and it doesn't matter what your name is or how much you came for you will end up playing second grade rugby
I think it sends out a message to all the players as to what is expected from them this year and TS looks as though he is prepared to play hard ball to get what he demands'"
If the drinking with Bailey story is true I'm glad he's making this stand with Lineham. One of the first things Smith did when he took over was Oust Martin Gleeson another who liked the sauce..
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| I understand that Lineham will not be playing against Widnes either. Still on the naughty step or is he still running round Victoria Park?
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| Quote ="LJWire"I think TS is making an example of Lineham, drop below the standard of play and professionalism of what is expected of you and it doesn't matter what your name is or how much you came for you will end up playing second grade rugby
Thats exactly what Lee Radford said to him when he sent him to you!!
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