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| Quote ="WireDOA'88"Maybe it's him that is the real culprit in all of this?'" We could continue to blame Briers for everyone, or we could accept that players are responsible for thir own performance.
For much of last year Briers played on the right, and Monas played on the left. Tactically there was little link between the two.
Monas was pretty poor for much of it. That's nothing to do with Briers. That is to do with Monas.
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| Quote ="Dave T"We could continue to blame Briers for everyone, or we could accept that players are responsible for thir own performance.
For much of last year Briers played on the right, and Monas played on the left. Tactically there was little link between the two.
Monas was pretty poor for much of it. That's nothing to do with Briers. That is to do with Monas.'"
I wouldn't say it is just him, I just think he is the leader of this little pack of players who can't be bothered at all.
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| Quote ="WireDOA'88"I wouldn't say it is just him, I just think he is the leader of this little pack of players who can't be bothered at all.'" I thought this pack of players who weren't trying were in protest at the likes of Briers being here? How can Briers be the leader of this pack?
I'm confused. Too many rumours to keep up with.
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| swap king with toa . mind you chemics wuoldnt ave im hes that poo.
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| Quote ="Dave T"I thought this pack of players who weren't trying were in protest at the likes of Briers being here? How can Briers be the leader of this pack?
I'm confused. Too many rumours to keep up with.'"
You have just confused me too! Oh well.
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| Quote ="ChiswickWire"
Also - I saw one bloke with a busted nose at half time. Overhearing urinal chat - it sounded like one of our own fans had smacked him. Does anyone know what that was all about?'"
There did appear to be some heated arguments going on between some Wire fans, but I didn't see any actual violence. A few fans had to be asked to calm down by the stewards, but there didn't appear to be anything too out of hand.
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| Why do we insist on scrapping with each other when we lose.
I thought we'd left that behind at Wilderspool, or the JJB/McAlpine, in 2002?
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| Quote ="sirlesboyd"I am delighted that a player finally gesticulated to our "supporters" after being subjected to abuse.
So please get off your high horses about him showing the finger. The behaviour of a fair number of individuals on this forum and at the ground is far worse than Matt Kings actions.
I wish that a couple of seasons ago Mike Wainwright had given the fans the old two fingered salute after the constant criticism he took or Jon Clarke had after the abuse directed his way.
How supporters expect players to perform to the best of their ability whilst being subjected to the barrage of criticism they constantly receive from Warrington fans is beyond me.
So lets continue in this vein shall we ... lets boo King onto the pitch next week because thats sure to make him perform better. Lets abuse Monaghan during the game because its really going to improve his performance isnt it.
And lets all boo the team if they concede the first try of the match next week as seems to now be the norm.
So, fair play to you Ma tt King - I'd love to stick 2 fingers up to a number of Warrington fans as well.'"
i take it you never went
But us that went,
us that paid more or less £100 (travel, tickets, spending money etc)
us that watched a team that didnt look interested in playing just have to show our fustrations by shouting to the player your not fit to wear the shirt
King is a disgrace get him sacked cant play rugby
shows no respect
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| Who did he give the finger to? Wire fans or Harlequins?
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| Quote ="Katrina"Who did he give the finger to? Wire fans or Harlequins?
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Firstly he never gave the finger he made some sort of hand gesture nobody could see for sure what it was.
Secondly it wasn't directed at either set of fans. It was directed at the absolute bag that was giving him abuse for no reason.
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| Reading all these various accounts of what happened, it seems to me that we aren't a million miles away from an 'Eric Cantona' moment occuring at a Wire game.
Personally, while I'm as hacked off as anybody about recent displays, and that certain players need to be looking at themselves in the mirror very closely, I cannot condone supporters singling out players for abuse.
By all means criticise the team as a whole, even boo if you want to, but picking out individuals can only produce a negative effect....Having read the evidence, if I was King I wouldn't be too keen to give my all for supporters whose idea of 'supporting' is to dish out drunken abuse.
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| The problem is that some people who watch us are genuinely thick and have no idea about acceptable behaviour. They always like to pick a scapegoat, be that King, Monas, Clarke, Penny or previously Wedge.
They tend to ignore the other 16 who took part and just pick on one.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Wheres he going? he's on £300,000 a year. Surely he doesnt become a bad Centre over night? well over 2 years? oh sod it, get rid!
PS. keep him for next week as we are on a roll.
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| Quote ="Lefty"Firstly he never gave the finger he made some sort of hand gesture nobody could see for sure what it was.
Secondly it wasn't directed at either set of fans. It was directed at the absolute bag that was giving him abuse for no reason.'"
Because he was the closest person to abuse unfortunately.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"Reading all these various accounts of what happened, it seems to me that we aren't a million miles away from an 'Eric Cantona' moment occuring at a Wire game.
Personally, while I'm as hacked off as anybody about recent displays, and that certain players need to be looking at themselves in the mirror very closely, I cannot condone supporters singling out players for abuse.
By all means criticise the team as a whole, even boo if you want to, but picking out individuals can only produce a negative effect....Having read the evidence, if I was King I wouldn't be too keen to give my all for supporters whose idea of 'supporting' is to dish out drunken abuse.'" When we are talking about abusing players, what are we referring to.
Personally I think fans are entitled to shout things like 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' or 'you are rubbish' etc. as they are part and parcel of being a Rugby player.
I don't think it is acceptable when it becomes personal and non-RL related.
What was it yesterday?
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| Quote ="Lordloverocket"Because he was the closest person to abuse unfortunately.'"
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| Quote ="Lefty"What?'"
He was a target for the angry fan because he was only 6 foot away from him (after he'd gone to the siding to get closer to the pitch). Scapegoat-a-rama.
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| Quote ="Dave T"When we are talking about abusing players, what are we referring to.
Personally I think fans are entitled to shout things like 'you're not fit to wear the shirt' or 'you are rubbish' etc. as they are part and parcel of being a Rugby player.
I don't think it is acceptable when it becomes personal and non-RL related.
What was it yesterday?'"
Only going from the evidence on here, it seems that those doing the abusing of King were the type of pondlife who seem to thrive in an athmosphere of negativity, simply because it gives them chance to vent their ill educated opinions.
By all means criticise the team, but I get the feeling the people who were baiting King are not bright enough to even come up with a 'You're not fit to wear the shirt'.
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| I agree that what Matt King has done is disgraceful and infantile but he has put up with a lot of unwarranted abuse from fans IMO.
King by all accounts had quite a solid game yesterday and not one of the ten tries were scored down his wing, so you cant blame his defense on this one.
How people can complain about him disrespecting the fans is bizarre as most of the fans have been disrespecting him throughout his Warrington career.
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| Quote ="gzus"When he did the action, it was towards a fan in the stands that shouted on his own and there was nothing harsh in the language used.
No offence was taken by the lad but there where children around.'"
I was next to the man shouting at him, and he gave as good as he got, although Kingy shouldn't have done it, i don't think that people like this man should be allowed to hurl abuse like that, as I have said, King was the easy target standing on the wing TBH.
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| I still think it's Penny's fault
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| Quote ="AdmiralHanson"I have it on good authority that it's nearer an alledged £180K per season, but still a wee bit more than Noble earns coaching Wigan for example.'"
Is the good authority King, his representative or Andy Gatcliffe?
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| We will swap you mathers phelps smith and coley for him??
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| Clubs at fault for paying so much money for the player, he is not going to turn it down. but with that money he is taking comes the pressure.
He is obviously a class player can he take the pressure and what do the club and fans expect from a star man at centre? The influence he can have on a game is surely limited. your star men whether home grown or imports are nearly always 1, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Cant expect him to come into the middle and start running the show can you?
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| Quote ="Mother Feka"We will swap you mathers phelps smith and coley for him??
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