Spot on.... Smith has to go now. Put simply, we are now back at the point we were at when he took over - A lacklustre side, lacking in confidence, performing below their potential, for a coach that they seem to have little faith in.

If he leaves it much longer, his reputation among Wire fans will be shredded and all the goodwill he has built up will turn to contempt, because at present he gives the impression of a man who sees himself above the observations or opinions of the average fan.

He is adamant that things will turn around, but it seems clear to most onlookers that him and his coaching staff do not have it in them to sort this mess out - Defeat in the Cup would hopefully seal his fate.

I dread to think what state we'd be in without Westwoods work rate. He is still the hardest working guy in our side behind Hill maybe. His defense is always there, never slacks off. And his driving the ball in might not be flashy but he goes 10 metres every time.

We counted two ball carries from Laithwaite all game....

We counted two ball carries from Laithwaite all game....

Well that makes four

We need one prop one second row (god help you who slagged trent) two half backs and a full back. Ratchfords attempt for that first try was the worst piece of fb play I've seen for a long time. Against the grain but I wouldn't care if we lost stef...the man has no position.

The first player who needs to go is Joel Monaghan.

It was 6 ball carries & he was our top tackler with 42.

Getting back in the car last night for the two hour drive home after watching that was terrible!!

First half hour, clueless with the ball but defence was very strong and we were doing ok. Then Sio's try, why was Ratch holding back? Just tackle him, Kelly had overran the ball so he wouldn't have passed inside. Just allowed him too much space.

Second try for them was the hit on Joel, can't do much about it but from then on in, awful!!

Aimless bombs, silly penalties, general lack of enthusiasm, speed, interest it looked like.

Tony Smith has done wonders for this club but something is not right in the camp at present and that unfortunately boils down to the coach and his staff.

We are in need of a major freshen up on and off the pitch and surely Simon Moran as a loyal Warrington supporter can see this.

People can say that we are fickle as we were poor in the Wilderspool years etc. but from the successful years, the club should be getting stronger year upon year but we have gone backwards since 2012, with this year compounding it and being in danger of fizzling out.

We are seriously in danger of missing out on Top 8.

Players to go:
Joel Monas (lost pace and never a captain, confidence looks shot)
Bridge (great service over years but nows the time to move on)
Atkins (again, good service but now not good enough)
Asotasi (on his way anyway)
England (not quite good enough but works hard)
Penny (just because looks like he is going anyway)

Signings:
Centre - Young with electric pace, something which Lineham will bring on wing, with Ormsby/Evans on the other.
Half Back - looks to be Cronk if believe aus papers.
2 x Props - Two young British props with size and power who can get quick play the ball
Second Row - Someone who can replace Bennie in next two years.

Off the field, Roger Draper has come in and is trying new things but the attendances should be his first issue. Home games are flat and that affects the team. Kids for fiver, free merchandise etc to season ticket holders. I'm no marketing man but something that will get the fans, who at the minute are watching an average side, excited about coming to the match. Bar inside the ground would be something club should definitely look into, this would be a certain money maker.

At the minute, as most fans, I'm a little disheartened. Still be there home and away but something must change.

If we do lose next week, then Tony must go. If we win, which we should, then it would only paper over cracks.

Asotasi and myler top my list

Do not doubt his defensive effort but six carries for that amount of game minutes is a joke. He never puts his hand up for an exit set carry either.

But if you are happy with that hey, knock yourself out.

Don't be clouded with the amount of carries. If the poor lad had to do 40+ tackles then it's pretty much nailed on that we didn't have enough ball possession as a team for him to have had a greater number of carries.
What he didn't do was make calamity mistakes that some of our senior players made!

I thought ratchford was poor last night. His attempt to tackle Sio on his try was embarrassing. He just didn't want to tackle him and put himself in a position he couodnt.

I'm a massive fan of him and Id love him at saints but the rumours of him wanting out and with that type of attempt, then maybe his heart Isnt in warringron.

Bet Hill, Sims and Westwood did similar numbers in defence but twice as many carries if not three times the amount and in less game minutes.

We need more from the second row, they need to present an attacking threat even if only to create space for others on the edges.

Waterhouse.....

But waterhouse was a rubbish, lazy coward apparently! I'd give my eye teeth to have him back, the running of lines last night was extremely poor.

Daryl Powell was enquiring after England last week,, as he had him at featherstone, so other managers think we have talent, I'm not sure it is the players who should go,, this is the same group, plus MOS Simms that came a whisker from CC and GF,, it's the management, yes the team still needs new faces but there is something deeply wrong in that camp,, and before we start let's get rid,,, we need to be careful on players jumping ship,, and strengthening the likes of Wigan Saints cas etc, then we will be even worse off, quality is hard to come by, there isn't much out there,, hilly was an exception,

Why .....even a montellato? He is of course only the top points scorer in Super League to date.

All we are asking for is that the players show some commitment and enthusiasm when the are playing and some effort. if they cant do that, inspite of things not going well, then they should find somewhere else.

Until we bring some players in, we shouldn't be discussing who should go. Our team is weak enough.
Big Roy is already told he's not having an option reviewed but yet we haven't signed a quality prop!

spot on and an example of that was when joel got walloped and they scored,our players were ambling back where as the kr players were running in numbers to make the tackle....

OK - I'll get some stick here but as I said on another post it's the lack of planning (for replacements of top quality players) and recruitment that's my chief gripe with the club and TS.
They've realised that too late - putting their faith in youngsters who simply aren't ready.
So next year with Lineham and Gidley - it's a good start, but in my view a winger and utility back (maybe harsh) when we've got one in Ratch is not near the top of what we want.
We need 2 halves (or one with the capability to bring Myler on), at least one prop and one centre. (Atkins does my head in at the moment with his running out on the side and lack of chase back).

TS to stay as he can bring the best out of good players and if we recruit well then no compaints from me.

I believe that recruitment is a problem and we are offering big money to top quality players and they wont come. They see the super league as a poor competition and wont come dispute the money. I am not talking of past it players or ones we have never heard of, I mean top quality players current SOO players. Would you accept poor quality imports rather than give the youth a chance again??

Well Hull FC signed Frank Pritchard and Leeds got Cuthbertson, Huddersfield got Rapira so players will come to SL.

Players that should go:

Asotasi
Atkins
Myler
Bridge

Those 4 are definites that need to go, there are others than aren't good enough but could be decent squad players if we replace the above 4 adequately.

They are:
Laithwaite
Harrison
England
Penny

The above just don't perform consistently enough to be in a top team.

We need to sign 2 centres, a half and a top quality one at that, a prop and a second row if we are to compete.

I hate pies - all agreed except we need 2 props really

One to replace Wood
One to replace England