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| I'm not sure what Wigan were expecting when they gave him a second chance-he's delivered as I thought (the odd good game, destructive at times, with poor discipline on and off the field).
Interesting seeing different boards on here-the top of the table clubs are saying "ignore him, he's a liability", whilst the lower clubs are saying "snap him up, great player".
Hardly see how him going to a lower club helps SL, as one player with poor discipline moving 'down' isn't going to solve the problems of inequality in the game. We need a more radical proposal (like a draft system).
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| One year loan at widens apparently, and I seen him and Kevin brown in Paul's chippy by the stadium in widens
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| Quote ="chrissyg1996(2)"One year loan at widens apparently, and I seen him and Kevin brown in Paul's chippy by the stadium in widens'"
Lol love this Think Steve o Connor bought the fish and chips too as part of the deal hope were not paying him £150,000 a year too
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| Me thinks that Hock needs a new agent/advisor
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"It'd be good for SL if he signed for either team IMO.'"
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| Quote ="NtW"I'm not sure what Wigan were expecting when they gave him a second chance-he's delivered as I thought (the odd good game, destructive at times, with poor discipline on and off the field).
Interesting seeing different boards on here-the top of the table clubs are saying "ignore him, he's a liability", whilst the lower clubs are saying "snap him up, great player".
Hardly see how him going to a lower club helps SL, as one player with poor discipline moving 'down' isn't going to solve the problems of inequality in the game. We need a more radical proposal (like a draft system).'"
Inequality in the game isn't a problem. There will always be clubs beating other clubs. It'd be a problem if there wasn't inequality and we had draws at every fixture. The issue is that there are good clubs and bad clubs. Its bringing the level of the bad clubs up in standard that is the issue. If having an undoubtedly talented and exciting player helps then im all for it.
My opinion is Widnes are heading in the right direction building slowly and assembling a solid off-the-field platform to support a strong squad. Whilst Hock is a good player he is also a liability and a poisonous person to have knocking around the place, if I were them I wouldn't touch him for that reason. If Wigan can't make him behave, Widnes don't stand a chance.
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| Confirmed, gone to Widnes on a one year loan. Judging by Ian Lenaghan's comments, he won't be back in Cherry and White. Wigan v Widnes could be interesting this year.
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| I think Hock going to Widnes could be the final nail in the pies coffin even before the season starts , there squad imo is so severely depleted theres no way they can challenge for top four and may struggle for top eight very lightweight pack poor half backs poor backs in general bar Tomkins ! Its like the best thing I could wish for them LOVE IT !
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Confirmed, gone to Widnes on a one year loan. Judging by Ian Lenaghan's comments, he won't be back in Cherry and White. Wigan v Widnes could be interesting this year.'"
Unfortunately it turns out that as part of the loan deal he can't play against Wigan.
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| Quote ="PADDERS"I think Hock going to Widnes could be the final nail in the pies coffin even before the season starts , there squad imo is so severely depleted theres no way they can challenge for top four and may struggle for top eight very lightweight pack poor half backs poor backs in general bar Tomkins ! Its like the best thing I could wish for them LOVE IT !'"
May struggle to get in the top 8?
I think that is more wishful thinking on your part
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| They mighta get turned over by Salford on the opening day at this rate.
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| Quote ="PADDERS" poor backs in general bar Tomkins !'"
Charnley and Richards are try machines.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Unfortunately it turns out that as part of the loan deal he can't play against Wigan.'"
I can understand, and even agree with Wigan's, decision to keep a hold of his registration to prevent him moving to one of Wigan's main rivals (though I'm not so sure whether any of their main rivals would take a chance on him). But to include a clause preventing him from playing against Wigan seems extremely petty.
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| Hock leaving will weaken Wigan in one obvious sense, but they deserve congratulating for the stance they've taken. Assuming what Lenaghan has said is true, and who am I to doubt him, they've taken the only course of action open to them. They're better off without him.
As for widnes, he instantly improves their team massively and parodixically to Wigan being better off without, they are much better with him. It's a no brainer and should certainly help sell some "Stronghold" memberships of whatever silly name they've given to their season tickets this year.
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"Hock leaving will weaken Wigan in one obvious sense, but they deserve congratulating for the stance they've taken. Assuming what Lenaghan has said is true, and who am I to doubt him, they've taken the only course of action open to them. They're better off without him.
As for widnes, he instantly improves their team massively and parodixically to Wigan being better off without, they are much better with him. It's a no brainer and should certainly help sell some "Stronghold" memberships of whatever silly name they've given to their season tickets this year.'"
Do widnes have the players/halves to get decent use out of hock though?
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| I find this whole episode highly amusing
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| I think the giraffe will back him up well, he always seemed to back up Robinson well.
Does seem like it's a stop gap year though before going to Oz
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| Quote ="Coventry Bears"May struggle to get in the top 8?
I think that is more wishful thinking on your part
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Whilst we can only dream, I think that you are right Mr Bears and that Wigan will be in the mix.
I don't think that your halves are half as bad as being made out on here, Smith has played well against us previously in poor sides Losing a disruptive penalty machine like Hock might just do you some good whilst he can conjur up some eye catching moments would i want him in a Wire jersey/ No thanks not for me
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Whilst we can only dream, I think that you are right Mr Bears and that Wigan will be in the mix.
I don't think that your halves are half as bad as being made out on here, Smith has played well against us previously in poor sides Losing a disruptive penalty machine like Hock might just do you some good whilst he can conjur up some eye catching moments would i want him in a Wire jersey/ No thanks not for me'"
Yet Hock only gave away two more penalties than Ben Westood and made three hundred metres more with the ball.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Yet Hock only gave away two more penalties than Ben Westood and made three hundred metres more with the ball.'"
Maybe, but Benny is better looking.........
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Yet Hock only gave away two more penalties than Ben Westood and made three hundred metres more with the ball.'"
How many more games did he play?
Widnes already have a few penalty machines in both the backs and forwards. I also think that Hock might realise very quickly that the quality of player at Widnes is somewhat lacking compared to what is at Wigan. Poor move for a player aged 29 who should now be at the top of his game.
For what it's worth I think Hock's behaviour has been disgraceful (again). Wigan give him another chance and he throws it back in their face.
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| England International and goes out on loan ???
Was this Wigans choice or Hock's?
Either way it seems bizarre to go from a table top side to a team of no-hopers.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Yet Hock only gave away two more penalties than Ben Westood and made three hundred metres more with the ball.'"
The difference here is that we share our yards around, all you have proved here is that you were overly reliant on him to get you up the pitch.... which makes this departure even more painful for your weakened / depleted/lightweight pack.
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