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Ratchford is a signing to show we have the money to outbid other teams we heard others were interested in him and we thought we'd flex our financial muscles he better prove his worth.
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| Quote ="The optimist"Having watched Rachford for many years at salford he does show glimpses of magic when he has the ball in his hands,he gives 100% every time he pulled on the red shirt even when it was announced he was going to you lot (unlike mr myler who didnt)
He is a good kicker both on the field and at goal, he has good footwork and has a good offload if you are to play him in the centre.
His weaknesses are defending ( he cant tackle to save his life, he played in the centre a lot this season but unfortunatley he isnt big enough and is a bit of a turnstyle we conceeded lots of tries down his side of the field with Him and Smith being targeted)
He is a bit of a penality machine as well he was our most penalised player this season mostly for holding down at the play of the ball, messing around at the ruck and talking back to the referee.
Ideally you would play him at standoff but for me he isnt much of a team player, he will do some individual magic then do something erratic, I know Briers is a bit like marmite for you guys but from a outsider looking in he is a genius and if Tony Smith has dreamt up that Rachford is the long term replacement they you boys are in trouble.
Go and spend some good money on a great ozzie if i was you.
As for him playing fullback, na cant see it, we did dable with it sometimes but didnt reaily set the world on fire.
Best plan of action for you guys would be fill him up with pies and protein shakes, make him a a couple of stone heavier / bigger and stick him in the centres with a fast winger on his shoulder for him to pop passes too, he is still young and Smith might make him a better player and cut out all the erratic stuff he does...
I would say thanks for Vinnie Anderson but he was very hit and miss last season, so if you are to send anyone else over can you make sure they are a bit more consistant
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All of the weaknesses mentioned by the optimist are things that our coaching team have already fixed in multiple players over the last couple of years. Im really looking forward to watching him progress over the next 5 years.
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| Quote ="William Bonney"No disrespect to Salford, but Ratchford will have a much better coaching set-up and far better players around him. I think he will be used as a utility player next year.'"
Who would have thought that it would be us telling other clubs fans this now.
I remember Hull fans saying this about Toa Kohe-Love how his career would really kick on after leaving Warrington because he would get better coaching there. |
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| Quote ="The optimist" I know Briers is a bit like marmite for you guys but from a outsider looking in he is a genius '"
Not really. We get a few people wanting to make up / spread rumours about him and delight in doing so everytime he's out injured but I'd say the majority of fans appreciate what a great player he has been / still is. |
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At the end of the day we just post opinions, it doesn't mean anyone is 100% correct.
Any player that pulls on a Wire shirt i'm 101% behind them when they play for us, it doesn't matter if i don't rate them as a player because at the end of the day they are playing for the club we support and they are wearing the primrose, yellow and blue. (Eddie irony)
I still believe that Steffan Ratchford's best position for us would be in the halves, play Briers at 7 for his organisational skills and kicking game and partner Ratchford with him. Briers could control the games from 7 with Ratchford being our attacking flair that looks to break the line on a regular basis and having a decent amount of pace to take us well up field or it resulting in a try.
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I wonder whether there is mileage in having another ball player in the centres. It's a popular trend in union to have a 'second stand off' playing at outside centre, Jonny Wilkinson has played at centre a lot, Iestyn Harris and Henry Paul played there.
Can't think of it happening too often in league but it was done in Australia for a period with Canberra and Penrith playing a second stand-off in the centres, Canberra used Laurie Daley at centre with Chris O'Sullivan (later to join Wire) at 6; Penrith had Brad Fittler at centre with Steve Carter 6. Also I could be wrong on this but I think Matt Gidley used to play stand-off in junior grades at Newcastle Knights but he was played as an extra playmaker in the centres.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Can't think of it happening too often in league but it was done in Australia for a period with Canberra and Penrith playing a second stand-off in the centres, Canberra used Laurie Daley at centre with Chris O'Sullivan (later to join Wire) at 6; Penrith had Brad Fittler at centre with Steve Carter 6. Also I could be wrong on this but I think Matt Gidley used to play stand-off in junior grades at Newcastle Knights but he was played as an extra playmaker in the centres.'"
That will happen in the NRL a lot due to the amount of talent that they produce in Australia, using Laurie Daley as one of your examples, the only way that they could accomodate Chris O'Sullivan in the side was to drop Laurie daley back in at centre. Its pretty easy to slot a stand off in at centre as their a ball playing back, its the same the other way round where the natural progression for a very creative centre is to be tried at stand off.
Ratchford seems to be a jack of all trades but not really a master at any, yeh you would say he's an accomplised stand off just like you would say he's an accomplished centre but would you say he's the next Tony Myler or John Woods at stand off ? Or the next Alan Bateman or Jonathon Davies at centre ? I'd say clearly not on the evidence of what we've seen so far. I won't comment on his fullback potential given his apparent weak looking defence which has been confirmed on here by a Salford fan.
I remember when Paul Sykes in his early days was touted as being similar to what Ratchford is, a classy back that can play either fullback, centre or stand off ...... The rest is history, i aint saying that Ratchord will turn out to be the next Paul Sykes but i'd like to have seen us sign someone with a more proven pedigree as he won't be on peanuts given that we signed Salford's best player who was being tracked by a lot of other clubs including Wigan. Our offer must have been a very good one. |
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At the end of the day we have to give the lad a chance, don't forget when Mr Smith signed Solo we all said it was a waste of time how wrong we were. I went to Leigh last week and while Stephan made a few mistakes at fullback he also did some good things. He has said since he signed he will have to up his game, playing with better players will also help.
Don't forget Hodgson will also help along with Mr Smith and the backroom teams coaching give the lad a chance.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire" i aint saying that Ratchord will turn out to be the next Paul Sykes but i'd like to have seen us sign someone with a more proven pedigree as he won't be on peanuts given that we signed Salford's best player who was being tracked by a lot of other clubs including Wigan.'"
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Of the players that were available who would you have gone for?'"
Everyone is available at the right price.
Personally i'd like to see us have gone for Rangi Chase, he was coming to the end of his contract with Cas before he re-signed a new deal. Riley is good cover for Hodgson, we don't need a new full back as yet. Rhys Evans will be good cover for the centres and wings this year, Gareth O'Brien didn't look out of place on his debut so their is plenty of optimism with the cover at scrum half.
A combination of Chase at 6 and Briers at 7 would have been seriously X factor, Briers with his organisational skills, kicking and passing game complimented by Chase with his ability to open up any defence, a similar style to Benji Marshall where both do things that don't look possible.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Everyone is available at the right price.
Personally i'd like to see us have gone for Rangi Chase, he was coming to the end of his contract with Cas before he re-signed a new deal. Riley is good cover for Hodgson, we don't need a new full back as yet. Rhys Evans will be good cover for the centres and wings this year, Gareth O'Brien didn't look out of place on his debut so their is plenty of optimism with the cover at scrum half.
A combination of Chase at 6 and Briers at 7 would have been seriously X factor, Briers with his organisational skills, kicking and passing game complimented by Chase with his ability to open up any defence, a similar style to Benji Marshall where both do things that don't look possible.
Its just my own opinion but i don't think Ratchford is a player we desperately needed to sign.'"
Why makes you think that we need to replace Myler? I think he had a great seaosn last season and towards the end he really started to dictate play on a more regular basis. |
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| Quote ="William Bonney"Why makes you think that we need to replace Myler? I think he had a great seaosn last season and towards the end he really started to dictate play on a more regular basis.'"
Really, i didn't notice him in the Leeds game up and till he was caught offisde at the end. In the challenge cup quarter final against Wigan he had a big chance to to take control and lead us around the field due to us having Lee Briers missing through injury, again he was low key in that game.
They were our 2 biggest games of the season and he failed to show up in both.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Really, i didn't notice him in the Leeds game up and till he was caught offisde at the end. In the challenge cup quarter final against Wigan he had a big chance to to take control and lead us around the field due to us having Lee Briers missing through injury, again he was low key in that game.
They were our 2 biggest games of the season and he failed to show up in both.
If you like him as a player then thats fair enough, its a game of opinions. I know a half back pairing of Chase/Briers would be far more destructive than a halfback pairing of Briers/Myler.'"
How many others went missing against Leeds and Wigan as well? Monaghan was anonymous in these games and nobody brings that up. |
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| Quote ="William Bonney"How many others went missing against Leeds and Wigan as well? Monaghan was anonymous in these games and nobody brings that up.'"
Michael Monaghan wasn't fully fit against Leeds, he was basically playing with one good arm. I think it was the Hull game where he picked up the injury.
The likes of Lee Briers and Michael Monaghan (Lance Todd Trophy winners) have nothing to prove in big games, they are proven performers on the big stage with silverware at stake. Lee Briers and Michael Monaghan can't carry us all the time, what happens when one or both are missing ?
Correct it will need Richie Myler to step up and lead us around the pitch, he's failed to do that twice now when it really mattered both against Leeds inn the play offs and Wigan in the cup. |
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Michael Monaghan wasn't fully fit against Leeds, he was basically playing with one good arm. I think it was the Hull game where he picked up the injury.
The likes of Lee Briers and Michael Monaghan (Lance Todd Trophy winners) have nothing to prove in big games, they are proven performers on the big stage with silverware at stake. Lee Briers and Michael Monaghan can't carry us all the time, what happens when one or both are missing ?
Correct it will need Richie Myler to step up and lead us around the pitch, he's failed to do that twice now when it really mattered both against Leeds inn the play offs and Wigan in the cup.'"
At home to Wigan he had a brilliant game. Pretty big game that. Seeing that nobody has agreed with you, says to me that you're the minority on this point. Like you say it's all about opinions though pal. |
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There are some short memories on here. Anyone remember when Alan Langer was here and people were saying that Lee Briers wasn't consistant enough? There were several players brought in during the DVDV era with a view to replacing Briers because of an alleged lack of consistancy. I'm quite happy with Myler, no-one really performed in the Wigan Cup match and we didn't buy a centre to play at scrum half.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Really, i didn't notice him in the Leeds game up and till he was caught offisde at the end. In the challenge cup quarter final against Wigan he had a big chance to to take control and lead us around the field due to us having Lee Briers missing through injury, again he was low key in that game.
They were our 2 biggest games of the season and he failed to show up in both.
If you like him as a player then thats fair enough, its a game of opinions. I know a half back pairing of Chase/Briers would be far more destructive than a halfback pairing of Briers/Myler.'"
You are a bit out of line there, rob.
Wigan we were twenty points down before most of the team woke up and that leeds game was filled with people making very uncharacteristic errors (grix's pass to hall being a stinker)
You only seem to notice (or not notice) myler when it is convenient. He was leading in some of our biggest wins (wigan away being a great example) myler had a great season, will improve and certainly, doesn't need dropping! |
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| I'd have to agree with Rob Wire, he has been anonymous in the massive games, has only been noticeable when he's been finishing off moves in 50-60 point romps.
Wether Tony Smith is telling him to play like this, I dont know, but I seem to recall someone on here, earlier in the season, comparing him to Sean Edwards 
atm, he's been disappointing, hopefully he will improve next season, but, as of yet, only Martin Offiah has got anything out of the deal. |
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| Quote ="jdrocket"You are a bit out of line there, rob.'"
Out of line for having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours ? Accept my apologies, how dare me having an opinion of my own. *Slaps Wrist* |
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Im sorry but i'm struggling to see how some people think that a player who has been playing average for salford at centre , should be walking into our team at Scrum-half ?? As for the crititism of Myler , many of our players went missing in the games against Wigan and Leeds , not just Myler. IMO i think he's a great player who is still growing and i wouldn't be taking him out of the team. The game against france really showed how much he's matured.
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Quote ="Rob Wire"Out of line for having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours ? Accept my apologies, how dare me having an opinion of my own. *Slaps Wrist*'"
Nothing up with having an opinion. You know me, I am all for free speech on here, it is jsut your opinion seems to be absed on very shaky evidence and it appears you are seriously exagerating any minor shortcomings in the development of Myler. It is incontestable that he has improved on last year.
Seen as you don't know what out of line means, I shall google it.
Uncalled for, improper; inappropriate. [...
Not in agreement with general practice, as in Their prices are way out of line with other hotels. Both def. 1 and 2 are metaphoric expressions that transfer being out of alignment to various kinds of behavior.
out of one's line; not in one's line. Not in one's occupation or field of interest. For example, He offered a generous salary, but the work was out of her line, or I'd love to help, but telephone solicitation is not in my line. This usage alludes to line in the sense of “a business or occupation.” [Mid-1800s
( idioms.yourdictionary.com/out-of-line)
We will focus on the first two definitions. Firslty, the second one. Your views are in the minority, it appears. There are many on here defending Myler and I am very happy with his progression. I think you will struggle to find many that think he needs to be dropped (as you appear to be suggesting) On the second point, IMO, you are being very unfair on Myler (by bringing up two matches in which there was no structure anywhere for him to build on and the team as a whole was poor). For the rest of the year (including times when briers had leg strain) he has been marshalling the troops. You are being very unfair on him! You bring vague occurences when the team as a whole were poor.
On the other hand there was his showing at the DW, where he led in defense and atack, and this example [url=http://youtu.be/GV22RWjQrko?t=3m31sset this up against one of the best teams in SL[/url |
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Nothing up with having an opinion. You know me, I am all for free speech on here, it is jsut your opinion seems to be absed on very shaky evidence and it appears you are seriously exagerating any minor shortcomings in the development of Myler. It is incontestable that he has improved on last year.
Seen as you don't know what out of line means, I shall google it.
Uncalled for, improper; inappropriate. [...
Not in agreement with general practice, as in Their prices are way out of line with other hotels. Both def. 1 and 2 are metaphoric expressions that transfer being out of alignment to various kinds of behavior.
out of one's line; not in one's line. Not in one's occupation or field of interest. For example, He offered a generous salary, but the work was out of her line, or I'd love to help, but telephone solicitation is not in my line. This usage alludes to line in the sense of “a business or occupation.” [Mid-1800s
( idioms.yourdictionary.com/out-of-line)
We will focus on the first two definitions. Firslty, the second one. Your views are in the minority, it appears. There are many on here defending Myler and I am very happy with his progression. I think you will struggle to find many that think he needs to be dropped (as you appear to be suggesting) On the second point, IMO, you are being very unfair on Myler (by bringing up two matches in which there was no structure anywhere for him to build on and the team as a whole was poor). For the rest of the year (including times when briers had leg strain) he has been marshalling the troops. You are being very unfair on him! You bring vague occurences when the team as a whole were poor.
On the other hand there was his showing at the DW, where he led in defense and atack, and this example [url=http://youtu.be/GV22RWjQrko?t=3m31sset this up against one of the best teams in SL[/url | |
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Tony Smith, whose judgement I think is pretty spot on, has been delighted with Richie Myler this season so I don't think we need to worry to much about who will be our regular No 7 next season (barring injury of course).
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Think he (Myler) got MOM for the Knights today, so that's twice in a week so he seems to be 'bossing games' okay for the Knights. I reckon he'll be the next cab off the rank for the full England side.
He'd have been well in the running for my player of the season. For me, he was certainly the big improver anyhow. This time a year ago, I was worried for him. Now, I think he has the world at his feet if he keeps working hard.
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You're being quite harsh on him Rob by citing two poor team performances and expecting him to have dragged us through them. I can't actually really recall a situation when Briers has done that.
Do the people criticising Ratchford's defence remember the same comments about Myler? It's never been an issue I.M.O.
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