As side note to what I've just posted, I like a lot of people have been calling for a Smith and Agar to be removed. As I said to someone at the meeting last night for most of us saying that it's because of what we see out on the field, unfortunately we all don't get to see what we were shown last night and yes I guess what Longbarn Wire said about people on Facebook changing their mind, I have not really changed my mind because even though I saw the man does do a lot of work I still think a change of personal will freshen things up.

So what exactly is it you want ? Someone asked and I've posted best as I can.

Did you ask the "this all looks great, so why have we fallen from the top tier of RL for the first time in our history ?" (You mentioned you would)

Yes I did and to be honest I think I knew the answer before it was given. It's simple really when you think about it, when we had the likes of Briers ,M Monaghan Hodgson etc etc, we have never been able to replace that kind of player, they are just not out there are and those that are they are tied up with good contracts and the Aussies just don't want to come over anymore because they can earn a lot more over there, Karl said they offered one player a contract that would of made the player the highest paid in SL, he turned it down, they simply said if the right player is available our club would be there with cheque book open, short of putting the players arm up his back and forcing him to sign there is nothing that can be done, as I said in an earlier post there are fewer and fewer good players to go around these days,it explains why some of what we watch is utter crap.

Thanks very much for the insight.

On the marketing aspect, did anyone question the wisdom of the increasing the price of the season tickets, after the garbage we have had to watch this season?

I would be very surprised if the season ticket sales don't plummet this year, after the terrible rugby on display and the awful fixture dates that we have had to suffer.

I spoke to Karl a few weeks back and he told me that next year will be predominately Friday night matches with the odd Saturday or Sunday (probably no Sundays again).

Maybe incriminating photos are need karetaker, but in reality,what we need is for a coach to bring out the best from the players we have.

Thanks for the update I appreciate it, to be honest I wrote Outrageous behavior saying it in a ello ello style in my head (not that you would have know obviously).
It sounds a bit like the club were trying to divert away from most of the key questions most people want to know.
1. Is Smith going to be here next season
2. Any clues on who they are chasing
3. What's happening with the other players out of contract
And so on. I couldn't care less how hard Agar thinks he is working.
It's good that it's not a slanging match and sounds like it's a well run event but it would be nice to get some key things over to the fans, I know some transfers are sensitive before the end of the season but give us something to hope for.
Jack.

Ah yes that would explain why Super-wealthy Salary Cap breaking Castleford have tapped up all the best players...

I knew it was nothing to do with this club, just that everyone else has more money than us to sign all the internationals and we are stuck with the journeyman scraps like Clarke, Hill, Ratchford et al who will never get near an international jersey...

Still sounds a bit baffling to me. Almost like he's saying that the coaching is right but the quality of players means that we can't execute properly, which leads me to ask, shouldn't we change tactics? You wouldn't train a shot putter to run 200m and hope one day it clicks, you train him to his strengths.

Agar may come across as a nice guy and it may well be a bit of a sales pitch, but ultimately it's been a dross season and a few forum's and some video analysis won't win over disgruntled fans who can clearly see there's effort lacking on the pitch. If we had effort, i wouldn't be half as ed off.

Thanks for the update Karetaker, appreciate you taking the time.

And to ask for more money after the offering we've had all season makes no commercial sense. Unless he's hoping for the Chivas Regal effect!!!!!

I'm intrigued as to who the non current wolves player could be.

Chivas regal effect?

Overpricing rubbish to give it an air of quality

Prior to Chivas Regal being well known it was a budget whisky not doing too well. At some point they had the same product but ramped the price up. Consumer's associated price with quality and the brand flew off the shelves and became what it is today.

The one day i turned up at an economic lecture in uni and i can now share it on a RL forum. The system works!!

Wonder if it was an ex player ...

Thanks for asking the question. It doesn't explain this season adequately to me as plenty of teams with less have offered more, much more.

It's why I said would still change the coaching staff,it's been a good few years, but it's not working anymore and needs freshening up.

interesting, i was intrigued as I was given a bottle by a rep from Pernod Ricard last year during a meeting, I've only had a few drams so far, he said it sells relatively well in thr UK compared to otgher blends, but it goes like hot cakes in India and that region, they can't get enough of it.

At the risk of derailing the thread, my top blend is always Jameson's. Nice and smooth

Following on from Westwood's wise words about the embarrassment of the players with this season's results & the difficulty in getting players, followed by the reported hard sell of season tickets is the club trying to placate the fanatical followers into parting with their hard earned cash once more for next season? Are we to expect Smith's recently bearded image of the tarnished Superman character ,if we survive the 8s,to suddenly turn into a clone of Agar with shaved head,saffron robes & finger cymbals ?
The excited fans chanting for Maharishi Tony & Mahatma Richard to lead us in the next campaign as we queue to get our season tickets.

Are we being brainwashed ?

Someone's started early on the Chivas Regal tonight.

Ha ha. Are you not mixing your Buddhists with your Hindus there though? Mind you one of each on the coaching staff will cover a few bases. Perhaps if we put an Imam and Rabbi on the board we will have it made.

Wasn't a dig at you pal. Appriciate the summary of the night. Just seems to me the club have had these forums to be open with fans, however, they can't help but talk about next year's season tickets and basically canvassing for membership renewals. What it sounds like happened at one point to me......

Most definitely !

I have just read the last few pages and it all sounds a bit nauseating to me. Who knew that a man who has spent his entire adult life working in Rugby League would be able to talk about said sport?

Meretricious flannel.