Which is...?

.....a load of one eyed plonkers, who can't see past their own shirt colours

I believe the only advantage Charnley has over Riley is his size. Charnley tends to break tackles on his way past, as oppose to Riley who slips his way through and is off balance by that point resulting in him being pulled down. Aside from that, both finish well, both have a good step, Riley possibly has the edge in defence though.

Rogues; you haven't managed to tell us what Bridge should have been sent off for last week. What was it Bridge did?

pointless, wigan say charney and wire say riley. i bet my house that charney will get a shot at the england team than riley even if riley is top try scorer at the end beating charnley.

this is all because charney is a flair player like tomkins, everyone oves him as he score great tries which make them not much notice the defensive frailties.

remember wire vs wigan at hj we ripped his wing apart, for englands sake i hope charnley can work on his defence and become one of the best wingers in the world, but atm there is a lot of work to do for riley and charnley.

Never have the words "pot" "kettle" and "black", been more apt.

Ironically, Riley was 20th in tackle busts in SL in 2010 and Charnley was 20th in 2011 when Riley didn't play as much. So far this season, Riley is 3rd in SL and Charnley 17th.

well funnily enough seb i was musing at the game yesterday, theres been the talk in pre season about king's departure and several players ,chris and the two rhys' getting various chances to replace him.

Would we not say that Riley should really be the one, we've seen what a devastating partnership him and atkins have, theres a good understanding between the pair of them.

Why not just go with that instead of starting something from scratch.

Maybe he needs a tw**ty haircut and his own flag to get noticed?

Perception eh. Yet this season Charnley has made more clean breaks (5) than Riley (1) which is opposite to WireWireWire's thoughts.

I think the Myopia reference is a catchall.

Riley for me but it's close. Charnley is a better attacker and can pull something out of the bag from his own half but Riley seems a better all round player. Add to that he seems to have an excellent attitude and it tips it his way for me.

charnley definitely has a point to prove in defence, but last year id say, as i think would most wigan fans, that charnley was vulnerable due to deacon and joel tomkins failures in defence more than his own.

Stats are all well and good but as the margin meter shows they don't show the bigger picture, the real time human factor. You could have 5 breaks to pap Bradford side or 1 to a good Huddersfield.

This year i have my bum wiping average down to 4 wipes from my 2011 average of 5 but this still doesn't beat my average of 2 when i was a teenager. Stats just like this one, can just be a load of sh*t.

Probably the best analogy I've seen for some time.

Bob on. In the games which really mattered to his team last season - Challenge Cup quarters, semi and final, Charnley came up with the goods on each occasion.

I'm finding it very difficult to bite my tongue on that one, especially after all the bile that came from the Wigan fans in 2009 and 2010.

On the point of Charnley and his CC appearance v Wire last year, it highlights his strengths and weaknesses in one game.

He was praised as a match winner that day but if you'd have lost, it would have been Charnley who would have been on the end of usual moaners acid tongues.

All of our tries were as a result of Charnley's defensive failures that day.

Which one made the England elite squad.

In all fairness, McBanana's selections can hardly be used as any kind of barometer.

anyone who makes that many mistakes should not be used in an argument in favour of a player being better; in fact, it should really be the reverse.

Plus I'm sure McBanana has an obsession with Leeds players.

Does that mean Hardaker, Welham etc re playing better than Atkins?

Not a particulary strong argument.

I believe Atkins exclusion is nothing to do with his performances on the pitch.

Charnley is an electric talent. A tad suspect defensively but one hell of a player in a decent team. I'd guess he'd be similar to Jodie Broughton if he was at a lesser club.

I quite like Lee Briers hairstyle these days, very Sean Long like, windswept and interesting.