Will do. I'm a big Dawkins fan after reading "The God Delusion"

We had immigrants long before the Romans too, history suggests as far back as 10,000 BC. These formed the Iron age tribes such as Trinovantes, Silures, Cornovii and Selgovae which the romans remarked on.

As I said, the blood line of indigenous early Britons is caucasoid as opposed to the other two classes of mankind negroid and mongoloid. This race basically formed the large part of immigration into Britain up until 1950 when this was changed.

I don't wish to be drawn into the other argument for post 1950's immigration as it was not related to the point I was making.

Remember I am not supporting the policy just dismissing this concept of "mongrel" nation.

Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?

Their stance in relation to what exactly?

Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?'" Here you go. bnp.org.uk/

Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?'" Here you go. bnp.org.uk/

This is an important point on why the market system needs regulating to save it from eating itself, and this is why we need a minimum wage and a good standard of working rights and conditions, good public services and standard of healthcare, even if this comes at the expense of people being able to get 'super rich'.

Most of the consumers in the economy are the average joe, if you produce ipods, plasma tvs, general consumer goods, you're pitching these at people who are not especially wealthy, but have a bit of disposable income free to make some consumer choices, all business is really doing, is competing to get people to make their consumer choices in favour of their product.

When people are unemployed in large scales or are struggling on low incomes then they don't have the consumer choice any more and business collapses.

The problem with this current recession, is that the buy-now-pay-later culture has meant that a lot of people are in serious financial problems, even who aren't financially badly off, because they've got commitments to loans and mortgages which aren't servicable. One of my mates is on £45k a year and is now in major financial trouble just because his girlfriend got laid off from her £28k job. They had a big mortgage, 2 cars, and maxed out credit cards which meant to be serviced by a joint income of more than £70k. It's crazy that somebody on that level of income is now struggling with debt but its by no means atypical, and till they get themselves on an even keel they are taken out of the economy as consumers.

I think we really have to be careful about the limits of "encouraging enterprise", I think its good to allow people to aspire to a better life and to get more but when you're talking what someones net pay is out of £300k a year, or £500k a year, or £1m a year, does it really matter if effectively it starts getting 'capped'. They are already rich enough and wealth spent on personal greed would be better spread around for the public good.

We always hear the arguments for the trickle down effect but it has diminishing returns after a while, some level of wealth redistribution is a lot more beneficial to the economy as a whole because you need to maximise the number of people in the economy who can participate as consumers, so business actually has people to pitch to.

As a side argument from this I am also a big advocate of improving the rewards of the people who actually make the foundations of our economy work even though they don't work in business themselves and actively 'create' the wealth. Teachers, nurses, police, firemen, soldiers, these are people who keep our economy safe and healthy and trained for the skills the economy needs. There should be some redistribution of wealth from the super rich in the private sector, to them.

i've long been a worshipper at the feet of joe pesci.

well, he does get things done.

Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Here you go. bnp.org.uk/'" Blimey - don`t let the resident Stasi on the `Sin Bin` know your posting links to Nazi sites ( tb & Minty will have a thromby !)

Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Here you go. bnp.org.uk/'" Blimey - don`t let the resident Stasi on the `Sin Bin` know your posting links to Nazi sites ( tb & Minty will have a thromby !)

THAT'S jolly decent of you to say, and yes i think we'll have to agree to differ on the political front.

any way are we gonna spank bratfud again on sunday?

And there you go. All respectable now but look a bit deeper. Although the other parties are also riddled with paedophiles, crooks and swindlers.

Even the Mayor Of London was caught attempting to pay someone to beat up one of his rivals. And he was trotted out as our public face at the last Olympics to launch the 2012 event.

Makes you proud to British when the country is run by such pillars of the community.

Since we've drifted somewhat from the elections over the 7 pages, [url=http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2172here[/url is an interesting article on the demographics of the voters.

Wasn`t it Henry Ford who said that the wheels of Capitalism can only turn if the workers are paid to the maximum which the employer can afford ...

On your separate post concerning the minimum wage surely the removal of it will only serve as a taxpayer funded subsidy to employers as the Welfare State would be required to prop up incomes - if you can`t pay £5.50 an hour then effectively your business model is non existent -you don`t have a business or deserve too imo ...

This country is overcrowded. Extremist views will continue to grow.

i'd like to see the evidence for this statement, india springs to mind as an example of where this theory falls flat on it's face!

overcrowding can lead to social problems like crime and poverty however financial unrest usually leads to facist tendancies rearing their ugly heads
eg germany in the 30's, britain last week.

Good contribution. It's more complex, just to continue the debate though I see no problem in businesses offering their sales staff a "we pay 10% commission on all revenue generated by your efforts". Employees who generate £0 get £0, those whose generate £1M get £100k. i.e) strike out min wage and piece work directives.

who gives a hoot?

Hard to argue against a meritocracy, so I wont. But an interesting debate can be had when discussing "how to decide who is merit worthy". Classic question like who moderates the moderators*. Who is merit worthy enough to judge merits?

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Nah you're right. Fook it, doesn't affect me.

The BNP don't have much of a problem with Jews, they actually have a Jewish councillor in Patricia Richardson and many Jewish members.

bloody ell . i bet there as tight as a camels bum in a sandstorm.

if you have a collection of good merit worthy people they (in theory) should police each other. Still though like you said, how do you know if they are merit worthy ? as one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I think firstly you find all the leading professors in each of their fields and they choose who they think is the most morally suitable. After that they put the case to the people as to the reason why they chose that person and then let the public decide if that is a merit worthy reason.
It would make sense for the health minister to be from the health service and the guy running the budget to be a master of economics. Who says the Vulcans are dull

being dull is logical, captain

if you have a group of say 6

and you all want to be the top dog, you all fight you might come out on top but you might get beat.

a savvy person says what i'll do is align myself with 4 of them and get rid of one. now there are 5

Then he has a word with 3 and gets rid of another one. (you see where im going here).

The BNP are not all neanderthal supremacists some of them are well educated and manipulative.

i meant the guys between Earlstown and Burtonwood