Think you forgot to mention your play-off successes and thats what'll stop you winning a meaningful trophy!!

If it rains Sintelllins will lose.

Wigan 'fans' have spent the last 5 years banging on more about crowds and patting themselves on the back about what great fans they than talking about about Rugby League.

Up their own @rses they certainly are.

so what do you class as a meaningful trophy
a,world club challenge
b,super league trophy
c,challenge cup(which we own atm)
d,league leaders shield

Only a and b of those are worth winning.

Trust me, once you lot win Super League (Which IMO you will do within the next 5 years) you won't hold the Challenge Cup in the same regard. It's a historic tournament but with the advent of Super League installing an enormous gap between the divisions, the cup really isn't a massive achievement anymore.

thought as much..for me the gf is the one to win after that its wembley..winning the league does`nt have the same glamour that it had years ago but it would be nice.

Whilst I agree that winning the GF & WCC are the greatest achievements, you can live with a day out in London for the CC Final. The last two years have been fantastic.

Thats probably the order atm, although I still think the league leaders shield should hold a lot more esteem, as that team is obviously the one that has performed the best throughout the year.

And yes, I'll still say the same even if it ends up being your team.

Or is it just that they've been luckiest with injuries? The play offs sort the men from the boys now. If it was moved back to first past the post things would change dramatically IMO. Teams these days don't panic about losing games like they used to.

They should scrap the league leaders shield completely IMO.

Were Wigan that lucky with injuries last year? Not more so than any other side imo.

Yup. Saints lost all their half backs for the run in.

I meant in terms of Wire really, they were the ones challenging us for most of the season.

Saints must just train full contact on a concrete pitch for all the injuries you get. Can't be a coincidence that so many get injured so regularly can it?

If Wigan fans need directions to the Halton stadium can PM me if you want. Loads of Wire went there two years ago in the challenge cup semi and last year. I think most of Wigan got lost.

How do you work out that a saints win is better for you ?? Whoever win's goes top tonight ?? so why is a saints win better for warrington the best thing you can hope for is a draw

We'd have a game in hand on Saints and not on Wigan. Women eh.

So your presuming you will win on Sunday ??

Because they are going to win on Sunday and beat us next week silly. They see Wigan as a bigger threat than Saints. I guess now the Wall of Cunningham is down, beating Saints must seem like a walk in the park.

Fair enough, I just thought I would make a point.

Not at all.

One of the top 4 could get a two or three point lead over the next couple of weeks. If Wigan beat St Helens and Huddersfield and St Helens beat us. Or if St Helens beat Wigan, Catalans beat Hudds, Hudds beat Wigan and we win our next two. Or several other combinations.

Ok well I've got nothing against Warrington at all i hope it is a tough competition ! Fighting for that top spot !

I know we have a laugh and a joke with them on here, but the amount of players both clubs have that have come through the ranks is a great credit to them. I know it's something we're looking to try and emulate over the next few seasons.

Phil Clarke's nicely lubed up.

First dummy spit odds.

Graham 4/7
Wellens 6/4
O'Loughlin 7/4
S.Tomkins 3/1
J.Tomkins 5/1
Foster 7/1

Graham 4/7 winner