ok, show me a prop from Leeds, Saints or Wigan that has been better than him on the stats this year.. other than Walmsley and Peacock.

Which stats would you like me to compare? I'm assuming not Avg Gain.

So in your mind he would make the pack at Leeds, Wigan or Saints for 2016? In my mind he wouldn't have made our pack in 2011.

Anyhow its sounds like I have got it in for him, which I haven't. He was probably one of our best 5 players last season...

No he wouldn't have made our front row in 2011... But it's not 2011 is it?

And yes I think he would make the 17 in every team in SL.

Sims's stats are the result of him not trying to make ground. He goes in soft, often on his way to his knees by the time the collision happens. That's why he isn't making metres. There isn't a stat for quick play the balls however. With Clark, Ratchford and Sandow off the back of him, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his weak carries are entirely deliberate. If he makes 5m and gets a quick play the ball and Clark makes 20 it's a win.

Would you have him at saints?

All about elbows and knees, finding the grass and securing a quick five second PTB. These stats are collected internally and the players are scored on them.

Is this really how the game is now? No wonder I'm losing interest. Imagine Boyd being statistically analysed on his ability to land on knees and elbows quickly rather than his barnstorming drives and intimidation.

We should have kept Warren Stevens - he was good at finding the grass.

I'm undecided on him.

A good club-man. Excellent ambassador for the club and sport - media savvy, social. A good person to have at the club generally I think. Someone you can imagine teammates look up to.

BUT, Top 4 prop forward? Not sure. Doesn't run his size for me and penalty count is high.

Maybe if Dodds and Hill are starting props in 2016, we'll see a different Sims from the bench.

I never expected all that much from him really. Watched him for a few years in the NRL and he only really had a good last season and wasn't much cop before that. and he's done about as much as i would have thought been a decent enough signing.

i'd have had him in our team in 2011, i've said before, i'd have like to have seen him in the squad complementing morley and carvell.

Overall, he's probably not as good as what we've been sold by the club, maybe he's a bit overpaid, but i'm happy with his performance this year(cept maybe them forward passes to ratch as second receiver at the line, but we'll work on that) and i think he does bring some intangibles into the squad. these may be used better next year when gidley comes and he brings some needed leadership.

Yes a decent signing. Not great. I reserve great for signings such as Hill, that was a great signing.

Ashton Sims; the new Trent Waterhouse.

yes ok, maybe not great... a decent signing then.

a great signing when you put him up against the other prop we signed from the NRL

There is a whole sheet of stats including an interestingly titled one called 'Dead Marine'.

It is just the way the game is now, everything is monitored and reviewed.

LOL. I wonder what that is. Maybe Asotasi scored high on that hence his inclusion.

2 stats I am most interested in. Result and league position.

Yes.

He's no different here then he was in the Nrl. He's never been a wrecking machine busting tackles and smashing players left right and centre, he's always been a hard hitting solid dependable forward. So I don't get what people were expecting from him? He's done a good job for us and I'm happy with him.

Very interesting comparison actually. Although their styles are quite different Trent often went unappreciated and even actively disliked by some when he was actually a very good, hardworking player on the quiet. Harrison is similar at the moment. Sims stands out more obviously but he does put in a good shift consistently. You really can't know him on this years' efforts. Some people won't be satisfied unless we've got 13 Andrew Johns' playing.

Or thane is spot on - he wasn't a blockbusting meter maker in the NRL either. He's a solid prop who's not afraid of the rough stuff. He's the ideal foil if you have a barnstorming prop alongside him, who doesn't get through a lot of graft.

Not sure it's that. In recent years we had an awesome set of props with the likes of Moz, Carvell, Wood and Hill. Now we have a pack which has broadly under performed over the last year. Asotasi has been the subject of critique and I thought it interesting to gauge views on Sims.

interesting to compare the 2, although i know they dont play the same position. Both are forwards, with Waterhouse playing more minutes.



I notice sims has done as many carries this season as Waterhouse did in the last 2.

One thing that has truck me about Sims how often he is prepared to do the hard yards... he will often take 2 out of the 5 drives in near our own line when were under the cosh. He never shirks the workload.

I've also put Currie in from this season so we have another backrower to compare Waterhouse with.... hard working my .

People won't realise how good/important Sims actually is until he's gone.

If I remember correctly some on here after his first year offered to pay Matt King's fare home and take him to the airport as well

Same for M Monas.

Might be best to sign a non playing professional scapegoat to shield Sims & all our other imports from impending criticism.