No one else to do it though.

No Ben Harrison but Joel 'penalty machine' Tomkins on the bench

Typo corrected.

Joel has scored over 6 times more tries and made over 6 times more tackle busts than Ben. Yes, he's conceded 3 times more penalties but maybe, just maybe, the pros outweigh the cons...

I'd have had them both on the bench and not included Griffin.

Lets see how many tackle busts and tries he accumulates on Saturday then. If he continues where he left off last season with high and late tackles the NZ pack will send him home in a bucket.

And made more tackles, fewer missed tackles, more offloads, more clean breaks etc. Maybe the coach thinks having Tomkins attacking coming off the bench is a better option for the team, especially considering Harrisons poor defensive stats.

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I actually agree that Joel Tomkins is better, but using stat's is a stupid argument. Statistically Myler is a better attacking threat than Sam Tomkins. I'm pretty sure you'd agree that isn't correct.

I don't see the point of playing Westwood from the bench as you wouldn't class him as an impact player.

Whose the little general in that side whose going to take us round the pitch, i see no natural organiser in that side and no decent tactical kicker.

I think this has been missing for years in the GB/England set-up, you know the kind of role that a certain Mr Briers got overlooked for GB many times.

We are going to get murdered. That's the weakest England team I've seen on paper for some time, and we werent any good when it looked good on paper.

I would of swapped Westwood and Fielden and put Burgess to Prop. Also shows how poor our backs are when Goulding is playing. Hes had a good season at Wigan but is not international standard.

Name 5 players on that team who are genuine international standard? Graham, Burgess, Ellis, Tomkins. And, erm....

Roby imo.

I'd agree with that.

Even if I agreed (which I don't), it's still only 5!

were going to get tonked.

I also think O'Loughlin but I doubt i'd hear much agreement around here!

To tell the truth when MP asked for a fifth name, Lockers and Roby are the two that did spring to mind.

Still very underrated by everyone imo. Pat said he thought Lockers and Sam deserved all the player of the year awards more than him, I know its a team mate and all but everyone who's ever worked with him rates him highly. Every England coach has always picked him it's just injury thats kept him out.

I rate him. And think he's very underrated abit like Ben Westwood. You only have to look at Lockers' stats.

I'm still in shock Fielden was picked for the tour, let alone a starting prop against the Kiwis tomorrow. Coley should have had his place. Anyone would think Stuarts old mate from the Bulls was the coach.

I'm worried what will happen against New Zealand, but cringe when I think what the Aussies are going to do to us.

Would Lockers & Roby make the Australian or Kiwi squads? That in my mind is the mark of a world class player...

Fieldens been better than Coley this year.

Leuluai does and majority of people on here think hes rubbish.

Rubbish players don't win the Harry Sunderland award...