It was obvious. You only need to look where Drinkwater's hand finishes lifting in relation to where Welsby's leg ends up. Welsby has previous form for this so no real surprise. I think the disciplinary made a statement by not deeming it an issue but I wish they'd go further and actually sanction players who indulge in this sort of cheating. Play acting to gain penalties is a blight on the game and needs stamping out.

Totally agree with you, it was stupid, but personally I feel that the playacting needs to be stamped out.

I said at the time it was clever from welsby, but these dark arts type things really don't help the sport IMO. The game needs cleaning up, especially around the ruck but also the little bit of gamesmanship creeping in.

The gamesmanship is now entrenched in our sport. Feigning injury, appealing for penalties every play the ball, holding ball in the scrum to get an offside decision. Boring.

While the MRP is forensically dissecting the game there is no reason why forward passes can't also be examined by the video ref then many petty ambiguities over results will be eliminated & Saints ,Wire ,Wigan & Leeds fans can learn to love each other. Peace man !

Quote ="ninearches"While the MRP is forensically dissecting the game there is no reason why forward passes can't also be examined by the video ref then many petty ambiguities over results will be eliminated & Saints ,Wire ,Wigan & Leeds fans can learn to love each other. Peace man !'" Wasn't their talk of a forward pass detector in the ball? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/27/spor ... index.html With today's digital image processing power it is perfectly possible to detect, after the event, if the ball went forward with reference to the player at the point of passing.

Quote ="ninearches"While the MRP is forensically dissecting the game there is no reason why forward passes can't also be examined by the video ref then many petty ambiguities over results will be eliminated & Saints ,Wire ,Wigan & Leeds fans can learn to love each other. Peace man !'" Wasn't their talk of a forward pass detector in the ball? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/27/spor ... index.html With today's digital image processing power it is perfectly possible to detect, after the event, if the ball went forward with reference to the player at the point of passing.

Quote ="Wires71"Wasn't their talk of a forward pass detector in the ball? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/27/spor ... index.html With today's digital image processing power it is perfectly possible to detect, after the event, if the ball went forward with reference to the player at the point of passing.'" I'm not sure (about much admittedly these days) but wasn't there always an argument/issue about momentum, the point of release and relative forward travel from the passer moving forward whilst passing

Quote ="Wires71"Wasn't their talk of a forward pass detector in the ball? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/27/spor ... index.html With today's digital image processing power it is perfectly possible to detect, after the event, if the ball went forward with reference to the player at the point of passing.'" I'm not sure (about much admittedly these days) but wasn't there always an argument/issue about momentum, the point of release and relative forward travel from the passer moving forward whilst passing

Yes the forward velocity of the player just at the point of passing can be compared with the forward velocity of the ball just following release. If the latter is greater than the former it's a forward pass.

Example. Player running at 25km/h forward velocity passes ball, ball is measured to have 25km/h forward velocity then it's a flat pass. > 25km/h it's a forward pass. No reference to the pitch, just the velocity of the player and ball is compared.

How much ball tampering would be needed at the St Helens 49ers

I think that's an attempt to baffle cloth cap brains with utter b/s.

I suspect the device would overload and the ball would explode!

I think we know why it can't be achieved from that statement. You would need a video ref with the brain power of Einstein at every game & there just aren't enough Thalers to go round.

Well that's simplified that then.

Now he is retired from the game I’m sure they would get Tom Brady in as a technical advisor.

To be fair they could teach 'old Tom' a thing or two

Ha ha. Or something like Hawk Eye in cricket. Or non-myopic linesmen.

Now going to appeal Williams ban next Tuesday

Disappointed with that to be honest.

He will probably get the ban removed now, so he can play for England.

There is no-way that Cullen and his Chums would have allowed that to happen if his next game was for Wire.

We shouldn`t have appealed.

If Williams injury is the reason for his Jekyll & Hyde season. I hope he gets his ban extended!

RL player gets injured and keeps playing, until he can get surgery/rehab at the end of the season shocker.

My post is a tongue in cheek remark of being selfish.
Wanting him not to play in 3 friendlies v Tonga so we can get him fit for 2024.
Let’s be honest, it’s exactly how the NRL teams will treat the oncoming test series, and their willingness to release any of their stars. The Tonga team is bulging with fringe and lower grade players.

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/62 ... view-panel

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/62 ... view-panel

final two fingered salute to the Saints as a club from a vindictive one eyed MRP that has dogged us all season. Whether it be bizarre decisions or inappropriate sanctions at key moments the MRP has pretty much ruined our season, ensuring a level playing field of mediocracy and that the returning World Club Champions would be made aware of the way the game is played here in Blighty, far too intense the way Saints beat those antipodean fellows! I know Saint's attack has been poor and our discipline questionable at times (although not to the extreme extent it's been deigned to be by Mr Cullen and his apparatchiks) but the way Saint's were officiated upon their return from Australia, trophy in hand, was akin to the way the Crust Munchers are, ie: totally differently to everyone else! Unfortunately Saints didn't get the positive "Fortress DW" treatment (which permits flops, heads in the face, continual offside and guaranteed reviews if a Pieman accompanied by several team mates, waving their arms and shouting rushes to the referee), oh no, Saints got the RFL, MRP, IMG "Levelling Up Agenda". Week after week fans saw identical offences punished differently, with Saints players usually being on the wrong side of the bans in comparison with identical offences committed by other teams. This despite the fact that statistics invariably showed Saints having the slowest PTB in the league as they were obviously being held down/wrestled with by opponents in a usually vain, but sometimes successful attempt at thwarting Saints go forward.
On a positive note, at least Phil Clarke can enjoy the rest of the year in the knowledge that whomever wins the Grand Final, they will have achieved this milestone without "effectively cheating". He may even push Barrie Mac in the back down a flight of stairs at the SKY after match party, Barrie wouldn't mind, it'd be perfectly legal, wouldn't it?


Because Saints are the only team picked on, they must know we don’t have Mr Cullen in our pocket because if we did why then ban Vaughan. These people are a different breed of human.

Ps got this from Redvee ofc.

Amazing, the most one eyed victim set of fans in world sport. They don't even think they had preferential treatment for the last 4 years do they? Tbe only evidence anyone will ever need is linehams not captured on tv squirrel grip ban vs makinsons which was very much captured on tv. I games vs 3, guess which team got the most lenient treatment. Superleague have got it in for saints, they should join the championship and boycott superleague.

And it’s all because Knowles got his ban overturned that there as been a conspiracy ever since

Knowles ban was overturned when every other appeal I can remember from last season was deemed frivolous and resulted in an extra match ban.

I can see why they think the disciplinary panel have it in for them!! I mean the evidence suggests they get the most lenient treatment but the evidence must be wrong.