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| Quote ="Mark"viewtopic.php?f=17&t=500595'" clutching at straws there pal! That's me saying I didn't want noble anywhere near our club!
Where dis I say mac out? I didn't
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| Quote ="danburge82"The only thing is, Leeds' biggest doubters were Leeds fans and he commented about how good Leeds' fans were on minute but then said "and to all our doubters..." which was a bit daft.'"
Rubbish! Leeds expect high standards. At times the team was poor! Mac was the first to say some of the criticism was valid, the Leeds players unstained that, that's why sini said we were the best fans in the world! He was talking about people outside the club. Are you the same fans who had Matt king flipping the bird at his own fans as you were on his back so much?
That's not how you felt when he left was it?
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"clutching at straws there pal! That's me saying I didn't want noble anywhere near our club!
Where dis I say mac out? I didn't'"
Come on fella. You can't fool us. By listing five other managers and entering the debate surely you were just one of the many McDermot doubters that Sinfield shoved that win down the troat of last night, even though he said "and to the fans... you're the best in the world"!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Rubbish! Leeds expect high standards. At times the team was poor! Mac was the first to say some of the criticism was valid, the Leeds players unstained that, that's why sini said we were the best fans in the world! He was talking about people outside the club. Are you the same fans who had Matt king flipping the bird at his own fans as you were on his back so much?
That's not how you felt when he left was it?'"
I have never and will never boo or slag off a player. So King certainly didn't do that to me.
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| Quote ="danburge82"Come on fella. You can't fool us. By listing five other managers and entering the debate surely you were just one of the many McDermot doubters that Sinfield shoved that win down the troat of last night, even though he said "and to the fans... you're the best in the world"!'"
I was nowhere near that until noble was mentioned! I don't want him anywhere near Leeds! The names were people who could fo a job over noble
But if you want me to say I have posted a few times I wasn't sure mac was the man for the job then yes I happy go say that! I still don't know! But I never once called for his head. But you are shifting the argument here! Check out sini at the press conference post match. The vid is on the rhinos site. He makes it quite clear who he's talking about. It was people Outside the club saying the club was in decline, the older players were too old and the new kids wernt good enough! It wasn't just about mac.
That's who it was for
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Rubbish! Leeds expect high standards. At times the team was poor! Mac was the first to say some of the criticism was valid, the Leeds players unstained that, that's why sini said we were the best fans in the world! He was talking about people outside the club. Are you the same fans who had Matt king flipping the bird at his own fans as you were on his back so much?
That's not how you felt when he left was it?'"
Wise after the event, or what.
Some of the abuse (and that's what it was) from Leeds fans earlier this season was disgraceful...some of the website abuse, made the Agar Out campaign on the Hull board seem almost acceptable. Best fans in the world...my bottom
Yes, King did get abuse, though not a huge amount, as it was deserved, due to his lack of effort. Let's not forget the words of Wire legend Mike Gregory in his autobiography, when he said (something along the lines of) Wire fans may not be used to winning much, but they want to see effort being put in. King obviously wasn't doing this, so A FEW abused him, and he flipped.
Leeds are GF winners (well done), we all agree. The system (though we all know how flawed it is) shows it.
The BEST team this season has been us, with the Worriers running us close. Virtually everyone in the game acknowledges this (even Worriers fans). HTH.
As for accusations of sour grapes towards some of our posters from yourself, is quite frankly, laughable. Read their posts again.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"
Leeds are GF winners (well done), we all agree. The system (though we all know how flawed it is) shows it.
The BEST team this season has been us, with the Worriers running us close. Virtually everyone in the game acknowledges this (even Worriers fans). HTH.
As for accusations of sour grapes towards some of our posters from yourself, is quite frankly, laughable. Read their posts again.'"
You couldnt be more wrong and its truly 100% like this. Ask the bulls, ask the saints, ask Leeds fans. For those of us who have finished top gone to the GF and lost, the hub cap is no consolation and means nowt! Wire didn't make it to wembely or the GF! TS won't be telling his troops don't worry you are the best team really, wire fell a few hurdels short. Not even at the final hurdle. That can't be denied.
Some people are struggling to understand the comp format as they dont like that Leeds won it or wire couldn't get the job done! Funny how clubs fans who have been there and understand arnt complaining.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"You couldnt be more wrong and its truly 100% like this. Ask the bulls, ask the saints, ask Leeds fans. For those of us who have finished top gone to the GF and lost, the hub cap is no consolation and means nowt! Wire didn't make it to wembely or the GF! TS won't be telling his troops don't worry you are the best team really, wire fell a few hurdels short. Not even at the final hurdle. That can't be denied.
Some people are struggling to understand the comp format as they dont like that Leeds won it or wire couldn't get the job done! Funny how clubs fans who have been there and understand arnt complaining.'"
It appears from all your posts you are desperately trying to convince yourself that Leeds are Worthy Champions rather than us Wire fans.
well done on your win..... loads of Wire fans have said exactly that, you are worthy champions now go and bore somebody else, and Leave wire fans to reflect on what was an exceptional season... most Leeds fans appear to be decent sorts you appear to be very different....
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"You couldnt be more wrong and its truly 100% like this. Ask the bulls, ask the saints, ask Leeds fans. For those of us who have finished top gone to the GF and lost, the hub cap is no consolation and means nowt! Wire didn't make it to wembely or the GF! TS won't be telling his troops don't worry you are the best team really, wire fell a few hurdels short. Not even at the final hurdle. That can't be denied.
Some people are struggling to understand the comp format as they dont like that Leeds won it or wire couldn't get the job done! Funny how clubs fans who have been there and understand arnt complaining.'"
Well, whilst I don't think he will be satisfied with the lack of pots getting dusted at the club right now, I think Smith will be more than happy with how the season went, and I don't think he'll be telling the team to do much differently in 2012 other than when we get to the playoffs, we need to learn the lesson from this year in terms of dealing with the pressure better.
The best team doesn't always win the competition, it's my belief that this is the case this year. This shouldn't detract from Leeds who are without question the most deserving winners, just in my opinion not the best team. It could be said that it enhances their achievement to have won the title when they are not the best side.
If somebody beats Barca in the CL this season, they'll be deserving winners of the competition, but Barcelona will still be the best side in Europe for me.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"It appears from all your posts you are desperately trying to convince yourself that Leeds are Worthy Champions rather than us Wire fans.
well done on your win..... loads of Wire fans have said exactly that, you are worthy champions now go and bore somebody else, and Leave wire fans to reflect on what was an exceptional season... most Leeds fans appear to be decent sorts you appear to be very different....'"
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| im sorry just read this through and i was hoping leeds would win last night and be crowned super league "champions" however looking in at this sgtwilko it seems like you have come on here to rub it in noses and picked up on the smallest little things twisted them round to suit what you want to think and so you can run off to your own board and go look at all these sour grapes were getting poor us they are trying to bellitle our acheivements however not one wire fan hasnt said congratulations you deserve it so i think you should take your wooden spoon and start stirring around elsewhere
BTW Congrats to the rhinos and outstanding performance from mr Burrow
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| I'm not here to troll! I'm just here to call out the nay sayers!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I'm not here to troll! I'm just here to call out the nay sayers!'"
'flipping' heck, you've been on here for TWO hours now. Shouldn't you be on the Leeds board, basking in your glory.
Sad really, when the fan of a winning team, has to spend all his time on the board of another club....
We've given Leeds praise for winning...run along, now. There's a good little boy.
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| as has previously been said no one has said you didnt deserve to win last night i think that most people dont agree with the format of the playoffs and believe there should be more recognition for league leaders which i myself have been saying for years no one dissagrees with the playoffs being there and the GF however i think what most people are trying to say is wire have been the most consistent team this year as wigan were last year and i think leeds the year before (i lose track) and these teams that finish top of the league after the weekly rounds and has been the most consistent should get some recognition for this rather than a hubcap that is passed gingerly to the captain of the team then brushed under the covers with the rest of the crap go back to before super league they had recognition for the league leaders then they had the premiership competition that was in my opinion the best way of doing it as the leaders got their rewards and the premiership winners got theirs so they were completely seperate so it would look in the records as
superleague champions - insert team finishing top
superleague premiers - insert winner of GF
just my opinion but have always wanted more recognition for finishing top since the inception of superleague.
it is not sour grapes we are just looking at what needs to be done to improve our wonderfull game as i am a rugby league fan first and wire fan second love the sport and love your team
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"'flipping' heck, you've been on here for TWO hours now. Shouldn't you be on the Leeds board, basking in your glory.
Sad really, when the fan of a winning team, has to spend all his time on the board of another club....
We've given Leeds praise for winning...run along, now. There's a good little boy.'"
his posts are almost Wigan-Esq.............someone let Phil Clarke know ...
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| congrats to leeds
the rules of the game say that the best team at the end of the season is crowned champions and that was leeds
wire were the team who were on average best over the ordinary rounds of superleague... some of us are philosophical about this some of us are a bit bitter (amazing how all of a sudden we have become concerned about the justness of the playoff format!)
however, imo, and i admit this is the opinion of a wire speccie who thinks we deserve more plaudits... why do we even need the playoffs??? we already have a far far superior knock-out competition (superior to the playoffs that is) called the challenge cup... why not move the semi finals and final to the end of the season, replacing the playoffs (which i think everyone agreed were a bit rubbish this year except for the semi finals and final)
this would reinject life into the oldest rugby league trophy in the world (which imo is flagging a bit), still provide a knock out tournament at the end of the season, most likely for 4 teams from the top 6 depending on draw (but there could be a surprise) and would allow more time for an expanded exiles series
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| Sgtwilko has gone home, after 2 hours non stop....huzzah
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| wouldnt mind he said he isnt trolling he posted out the blue on the what for next season topic with an equally demeaning post
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| Quote ="Mark"Great performance and great effort. Sinfield embarassed himself at the end. Gotta be a bit classier there and not be a bad winner.'"
What did he say?
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| Quote ="Wire_85"What did he say?'"
He virtually said "ner, ner, nerner, ner, to anyone that rubbished my team (that must include thousands of his own fans)" and did that thing with his thumbs stuck in his ears, and his fingers waggling at the same time
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"
it just goes to show that that the biggest trophy in skys superleague can be won by anyone..... consistency over the season almost means nothing anymore.'"
Leeds have won 4 titles in the last 5 years.
So it wasn't just won by 'anyone'. It was won by a team with a proven pedigree of winning, that trsuggle to cope with a new coaching set up and injuries at the start of the season.
If it was that easy to win from outside the top 2, why has it happened only twice in 14 years?
Go on, finish 5th next year and ''peak at the right time'' and see how easy you find it.
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| Quote ="WersYourMylerGone"Remember alot of us on here laughing at Leeds coaching set up early in the season. Now a Challenge Cup final and a Grand final win later they don't seem a bad pairing.'"
He who laughs last, laughs loudest.
I remember copping thrashings from you earlier in the season and your fans were giving it to us. Old team, past it yadda yadda.
But when the pressure was on.......
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| Hahaha
Loving these Leeds fan trying to make out its not a shock at all that Leeds team coming 5th playing shocking most of the season won a Grand Final.
We should of seen it coming!
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Hahaha
Loving these Leeds fan trying to make out its not a shock at all that Leeds team coming 5th playing shocking most of the season won a Grand Final.
We should of seen it coming!'"
Of course it's a shock!
No one saw it coming.
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