Let's just say that if it was the other way round, and he was the current Wire coach but spending all his time concentrating on his next job, I would be far from happy.

If we're bombing chances were making them which is a baby step in the right direction.

Reading what chambers is saying about bullock and wrench is completely understandable and to be expected from a team putting together a run of wins. We cannot persist with a side that continues to lose games.

He does not work for them 24/7 so I don't think he is spending all his time on the phone to us. It does maybe question his focus but again it's not like he is running round the bike she's to sneak a call in to chambers when he is at work.



I don't think he is selecting the team or anything like that but probably has spoken to chambers and maybe a few of the players but that's about it if anything

Fine margins today.

Mata'utia did OK, he played as I expected (when we originally signed him)steady without being exceptional (low bar) none of the tries were conceded on his side. Wrench would have given more in attack but may have been worse in defence.

Attack was miles better Dufty was on fire and bar a bounce of a ball had a flawless game. Drinkwater was better.

Bar a bounce of a ball, a foot in touch, a dropped ball for us or a forward pass Tom Brady would have been proud of and a miracle offload for them we were there.

At least today we were there or there abouts.

Still think Dudson shouldn't be near the 17 and Chambers is damaging his credibility with the selection, but the games we have left are all winnable with today's attack and effort.

No, but that’s not the case, I’m sure I’ve read South’s aren’t replacing him as they are already carrying one more coach than normal, so they’re clearly confident they have what they need. He has an excellent relationship with Souths, I’m sure he wouldn’t be doing anything without their say so, I’m pleased he’s showing a level of commitment to us.

I've had enough of the Ratch-bashing on here this season. This isn't a go at you, Moe, yours is just the most recent post I've noticed. The lad has given an awful lot to the Wire over the years. He's done far more good than bad, sure he's been below par this year but then again so has the majority of the squad. There are others doing a far far worse job and stealing a living.

And no, I'm not his mum! He's been a bloody good servant overall.

I can’t bash Ratchford either.
He’s probably the best Swiss Army knife in SL. He would be my bench utility, only Livett can rival him.
So many strings to his bow means he’s master of none, but can do a job.

Dudson made a whopping 29 metres yesterday so there’s no way you could think about dropping him……

The Warrington club motto

The selection of Crowther is equally as annoying as that of Dudson in my opinion. Crowther is very poor and, thankfully, is only here until the end of the season. Baffling to persist with him.

The coaches must see something Dudson 'does' do and Bullock 'doesn't' do.
I really don't understand or see what it is / isn't.

Not sure anyone does tbh.

On the positive side our attack looked much better. Like much of this season I felt that if we had scored 2 in succession we would have pulled away but yet again simple errors cost us dearly. Leeds had the rub of the green, but that should not have mattered.
Crowther? Not sure what he brings to the team. Dudson is a waste of a place.
I don’t understand the negativity towards Ratchford, there are far more obvious targets.
If Burgess’s talk to Dufty had that effect then when he fires up the whole team there could be fireworks.
The major positive for me though is Matty Ashton. From a speedy but lightweight where there was more fat on a chip butty, to a speedy powerful winger who is so quick to his feet after the tackle that the opposition are nearly always on the back foot. Great signing and development but all credit to him.

Hogwash pt 2

100% agree..it is fair to say age and time as caught up with Steph but he's given one hell of a lot to the wire cause.. hopefully it is his last season cos one more season would defo be a season to long

He’s a dreadful captain though. I was stood behind the sticks yesterday and watched Ratchford after their first try. He was just looking at his feet, saying nothing other than whispering to Mikaele. Dufty and Vaughan were doing all the talking and trying to get a grip of things.

Fair point so next Season we should go with Vaughan as captain obviously not Mikael and defo not dufty

but this is the problem we give too much credit to what a player has done previously not what he is doing for us now or will do in the future.

ratchford unfortunately for the majority of his time with us has caused coaches headaches of where to play him as he was not good enough in specialist rolls but too good to leave out of the side, whilst he is a very good rugby player I do feel he has caused us more headaches than solved problems over his time with us.

Not heard anything from chambers that gives me any hope, from letting the players come up with the game plan to bullock has to improve to get in the team when dudson gets in playing crap.

I mean if he had to play Dudson he could’ve also played Bullock and put Philbin/Nicholson/Currie loose forward or second row and dropped Crowther.

Selection should be based upon what they deliver on match day and I don’t care if Dudson or Crowther train the house down because what they dish up on match days is a LONG way short of SL level*. Bullock on the other hand has consistently played well for 18 months.

* and SL level is currently dire

Chambers appears to be adopting Price's stance of being pally with the players, shielding them and stressing empathy whereas Powell tried the sergeant major approach.

Thus far, all I can see is that Gleeson's short stewardship appears to have freshened the attack, but the same glaring, unforced, [istupid[/i errors combined with baffling team selection hold us back.

Thought you were the better team yesterday and the Walker dropped ball and Dufty needing longer arms and you win it comfortably.
The good thing for us was that we hung in and sneaked the 2 points.
Not sure what Dudson brings at all and the same goes for Crowther.
The other player I felt was a disappointment for you was Currie.

If that's the issue, blame the coaches who don't know how to deploy him. Or blame those who recruited him despite him not having a defined role in the squad. Or, if the issue is that he's past his best, blame those who still throw contracts at him. But for people to slag him off and say he isn't even a RL player is a bad thing to do for someone who's put his body on the line for our team/town for over a decade. Admittedly, we have several current players supposedly in their prime who do a shoddy job masquerading as professional RL players and we all know who they are. However, I'm not very comfortable calling someone out who has given his all for this club for so long. That's a different kettle of fish IMO. Sure if he's past his best move him on, but he shouldn't be disparaged when there are bigger wage thieves in the mix.

That team selection was so disappointing. We had an opportunity during the final six games to change things up, make players earn the shirt, but what do we do - keep the same team. There's a well peddled saying of the definition of madness being doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome, well in game one after the removal of DP, that's exactly what we've done. There was no way that I was paying out even a small amount of cash to watch the Leeds game, after the team was announced on Friday. Time to be brave with team selection Mr Chambers, otherwise, there wont be so many bums on seats in the HJS next year.

But what if the alternatives really are worse?