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| I suppose with Lineham it’s about what return we get for the money. We paid a transfer fee and got a decent big game player, well above average winger. He re-signed on what I assume was a better deal a couple of years ago. Obviously we don’t know what that salary is but I can imagine he’ll be wanting more than what we actually value him. I think Powell will be able to get another decent enough winger playing at the same level, like he has done at Cas with the likes of Eden etc.
He’s had 6 years here and most of that time (barring the terrible disciplinary record) he’s been an asset. Probably time for a fresh start though. Hull KR?
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| Lineham is a much better winger than Charnley in my opinion, and brainfarts aside, I'd be sad to see him go.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"Yes, that's the issue in a nutshell. It's easy to drop him, not so easy to replace his quality. Perhaps Powell sees Ashton as a replacement ? But unless they have someone in mind I wouldn't be in favour of ditching him.'"
We defo like Tom Davies.
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| My perception is the opposite really. Slow, cumbersome rarely breaks a tackle and unable to track back if there's a break on. Bit of a poor mans Ryan Hall.
Any stats to show I'm wrong in any of it? Genuine question.
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| Big game player Tom, and that inside ball after drawing 2 men and was as good as any winger could do in the world rl.
I sense that Lineham being allowed to go, may be more of a board level decision than one from Powell. The response from Wire following his last needless suspension, was one of deflated, given up. This time the club made no effort to contest the suspension.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"We defo like Tom Davies.'"
Perfect replacement and a step up IMO. When he was coming through at Wigan I was surprised they let him go in favour of Marshall. Davies has a superb all-round winger's game.
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| Out of contract in November as well I think.
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| Quote ="Matt King's kitten"Out of contract in November as well I think.'"
Davies? Hope so. Although I imagine he won't come cheap (in terms of salary) now he's an England international.
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| Good game from Lineham tonight.
No complaints.
Got through a lot of work and Made good calls
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| Quote ="karetaker"And no idea who is coming through the academy that is going to be a standout super league winger, need Walter Wizard to update us on that.'"
In my opinion Matty Ashton is a first choice winger next season; that for me is his best position. Josh Thewlis is a natural full back and SHOULD be the successor to Stef Ratchford. Yet again tonight when played in his recognised position he has put in a faultless display.
Nathan Roebuck is another Academy graduate who is capable of playing on the wing or in the centre; not sure why he wasn't in the 21 for this game, maybe he is injured.
There is a lot of quality in the Academy and players who could well prove to be excellent Super League players in the next 2 or 3 years; it would be wrong for me to single any out in case I forget somebody!!!!
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| I thought I’d heard or read that Roebuck wasn’t staying?
Thewlis had some great touches last night, looks like he’s been playing first team for a couple of years.
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| Thewlis was faultless tonight, his link up play is developing, and he was a threat with ball in hand, a la ratch.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Thewlis was faultless tonight, his link up play is developing, and he was a threat with ball in hand, a la ratch.'"
Since it’s a Tom Lineham thread, I think it’s only fair to say that Lineham is also ‘a threat with ball in hand’. For different uncomfortable reasons.
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| One thing I do like with all the youngsters, and was also evident last year against Salford, is the total enthusiasm they have when playing.
Having some experience around them last night really helped, but it is all very encouraging going forward - especially with a coach who has a reputation for develpping players.
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| Frustrating to see how good Lineham is when he sticks to his job.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Thewlis was faultless tonight, his link up play is developing, and he was a threat with ball in hand, a la ratch.'"
Looks promising, seems like he's been playing at the level for years, need to see that link up play develop that Ratch plays so well at times. Looks to be well timed too, Ratch will be 34 by the time his contract expires next season and though I think he could well get another year or so - as I think he would be a useful squad player even if he wasn't first choice full back at that stage - Thewlis at 20 / 21 will be well placed to pick up the baton.
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| Quote ="just_browny"Frustrating to see how good Lineham is when he sticks to his job.'"
No doubting that he's a good winger (disciplinary issues aside), a lot depends on his salary, which I imagine would be fairly decent and what Powell wants going forwards. Powell has had a habit in the past few years to turn wingers who were a little unfancied in to try scorers - Solomona / Eden / Olpherts. Maybe he wants less cap spend on the wings and more elsewhere.
Would Manfredi be an option for us? Serious injury concerns obviously over the past few years, but if you could pick him up on a modest salary as a potential back up to Charnley / Ashton might be worth a shot? Just as long as you weren't expecting him to be first choice. If Tom Davies was an option though, would definitely go for that.
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| Quote ="fez1"One thing I do like with all the youngsters, and was also evident last year against Salford, is the total enthusiasm they have when playing.
Having some experience around them last night really helped, but it is all very encouraging going forward - especially with a coach who has a reputation for develpping players.'"
whosat then?
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| Quote ="Philth"My perception is the opposite really. Slow, cumbersome rarely breaks a tackle and unable to track back if there's a break on. Bit of a poor mans Ryan Hall.
Any stats to show I'm wrong in any of it? Genuine question.
I will say in his defence that we don't play a winger's game of Rugby and we have a couple of centres who like to run with ball in hand on the edges so maybe a team with a set sweeping move or 3 will see him fall over the line a bit more'"
Utter nonsense
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| Quote ="just_browny"Frustrating to see how good Lineham is when he sticks to his job.'"
Exactly another very good display from him last night, didn’t put a foot wrong & took his interception try very well. Since his ban he’s been solid and hasn’t missed a best.. shame to lose him on these type of performances.
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| Quote ="Philth"My perception is the opposite really. Slow, cumbersome rarely breaks a tackle and unable to track back if there's a break on. Bit of a poor mans Ryan Hall.
Any stats to show I'm wrong in any of it? Genuine question.
I will say in his defence that we don't play a winger's game of Rugby and we have a couple of centres who like to run with ball in hand on the edges so maybe a team with a set sweeping move or 3 will see him fall over the line a bit more'"
I was going to say this is a very harsh criticism, but in fact I think it isn’t describing the Tom Lineham I watch.
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| In the pecking order of Wire wingers of the Super League era I reckon you have Hicks, Joel Monaghan, Matt King when he played as a winger then Lineham is the best of the rest, ahead of Riley, Fa'afili, Charnley.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"In the pecking order of Wire wingers of the Super League era I reckon you have Hicks, Joel Monaghan, Matt King when he played as a winger then Lineham is the best of the rest, ahead of Riley, Fa'afili, Charnley.'"
Agree with this, Lineham is a very good player. I feel he is treated harshly by the disciplinary panel but then again he keeps giving them the opportunity to be harsh on him. With good discipline no way would I want him to be leaving wire, he's definitely not past it.
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| I do think that last night he took his responsibilities as a senior pro seriously and maybe that is part of his (belated) growing up.
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