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| Quote ="AS108"Austin is nowhere near as good as you think he is. He’s only in Super League because he’s inconsistent which is why Canberra got rid and Warrington threw money at him. He comes up with some great individual moments but he goes missing for massive amounts of each game then scores a try from either a dummy or step. Lomax has been better than him this season.'"
Canberra offered him more money than Warrington to stay. Parramatta also offered him a contract but sure that doesn't suit your agenda.
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| Can't believe people are moaning about a game being promoted
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| We shouldn’t underestimate how much Ratcford brings to our attack. His absence is showing at the moment, he is the one that usually makes the extra man.
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| Quote ="AS108"Austin is nowhere near as good as you think he is. He’s only in Super League because he’s inconsistent which is why Canberra got rid and Warrington threw money at him. He comes up with some great individual moments but he goes missing for massive amounts of each game then scores a try from either a dummy or step. Lomax has been better than him this season.'"
Are you really that dense? Each week there are raiders fans commenting on our FB about how lucky we are that he’s ripping it up and how missed he is. Hardly a reject.
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That was the second clip in our video that we put out at the weekend.
it's not a great response, its all one sided.
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That was the second clip in our video that we put out at the weekend.
it's not a great response, its all one sided.
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| Don’t try and debate with AS, it really is pointless.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"That was the second clip in our video that we put out at the weekend.
it's not a great response, its all one sided.'"
Yes, but the message is we are looking down on Warrington in every sense of the word where as Warrington need a plane to do that.
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| Quote ="AS108"Walmsley and Thompson walk into most NRL sides'"
Thompson wouldn't walk into most Super League sides let alone NRL sides. He's a good hard running prop but he's prone to errors and has minimal handling skills. He's one of those who knocks a few over makes a few yards and you love him if he plays for you. If he doesn't play for you you're not overly fussed!
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| It's pointless any fans saying 'so and so would storm it in the nrl'. Until they actually go and do it, its irrelevant. Cooper is one of the few props in super league who has proven himself over there.
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| Quote ="Widnes Al"Thompson wouldn't walk into most Super League sides let alone NRL sides. He's a good hard running prop but he's prone to errors and has minimal handling skills. He's one of those who knocks a few over makes a few yards and you love him if he plays for you. If he doesn't play for you you're not overly fussed!'"
Thompson is playing above himself. A backrower stepped up hence his errors with the ball in collision at times. He'll end up busted, and retiring early. I've seen it at Wire over the decades. He's doing great but he's a cricket score off Warmsley and if AS can't see that, he's blinkered with scouse mist.
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| Quote ="Widnes Al"Thompson wouldn't walk into most Super League sides let alone NRL sides. He's a good hard running prop but he's prone to errors and has minimal handling skills. He's one of those who knocks a few over makes a few yards and you love him if he plays for you. If he doesn't play for you you're not overly fussed!'"
That's a ridiculous thing to say. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just wrong. He's a superb young prop, arguably the form GB prop this year. He should get in the GB squad ahead of some of the established names.
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| Reading this thread makes a mockery of the league table doesn't it? We've apparently only got two decent players, Roby and Walmsley. The rest are inferior to Warrington's equivalent. Our front row is weaker, with or without Roby, our halves combined can't get near Austin. And I know none of you rate Coote. Which must mean either our centres or wingers are absolute monsters for us to be 6 points clear of you?
FWIW I think you'll win this game. We've not been playing particularly well and have been rotating 4 or more every week for a while now, so we've no real momentum or form going into the game. You also need to win more than us to stay ahead of the chasing pack, it really doesn't matter too much if we win or not, we'll still have a two game buffer. It doesn't feel at all like a big game if I'm honest.
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| I rate Coote, think he's a great player and a great signing. You're a better team with Coote in it than Barba. He is still a massive threat in attack, great support runner as a fullback and sound in defence. Great fullback for me. You will win on Friday I'm sure, we are a bit too laboured in attack I feel. We definitely have it in us to beat you but it will be a tight game so hill will be moaning instead of doing his job, we will come up with lots of errors with a low completion rate and you lot will just have to get the basics right to beat us.
Still hope we can beat you though, comfortably would be nice just to raise that but if self doubt in the saints camp ready for the business end.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"[uReading this thread makes a mockery of the league table doesn't it?[/u We've apparently only got two decent players, Roby and Walmsley. The rest are inferior to Warrington's equivalent. Our front row is weaker, with or without Roby, our halves combined can't get near Austin. And I know none of you rate Coote. Which must mean either our centres or wingers are absolute monsters for us to be 6 points clear of you?
FWIW I think you'll win this game. We've not been playing particularly well and have been rotating 4 or more every week for a while now, so we've no real momentum or form going into the game. You also need to win more than us to stay ahead of the chasing pack, it really doesn't matter too much if we win or not, we'll still have a two game buffer.[u It doesn't feel at all like a big game if I'm honest.[/u'"
You're right, it does make a mockery.
1st Vs 2nd and you're dismissing it as another run of the mill game. That right there is the stereotypical Sin'tellins fan arrogance we've all come to know. As we say in the trade: [i"All the gear and no idea."[/i That's a saints fan pretty much summed up.
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| Saints fan dismissing the game as unimportant... they are favourites but I will still be gutted if we lose, Saddened couldn’t careless (I don’t think so).
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| i think it's a shame that saints have to put up with the rest of the teams in SL, they should breakaway and form a 1 team league, they wouldn't be unhappy then, they'd always finish top, and they wouldn't have to worry about choking in a semi final
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| I think they'd also ensure all trophies were to be handed out in May.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"That's a ridiculous thing to say. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just wrong. He's a superb young prop, arguably the form GB prop this year. He should get in the GB squad ahead of some of the established names.'"
I presume you're a Saints fan? I remember getting a similar response from your comrades a couple of years ago when I dared to suggest that Danny Richardson wasn't the next messiah!
While I'm here could I trouble you for your Red Vee tinted thoughts on Wires Joe Philbin?
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| Wire, like Wigan, is always a big game for us.
It's a big game because it's Wire, not because of the league.
I can see why is feels like a big game in the context of the season (beyond just the local rivalry) for Wire fans, as they absolutely need to win to carry on with any feeling they can finish top.
For us it's different, I don't think the result makes any difference because I'm pretty confident we'll finish top regardless. That's why it feels a bigger game in Warrington than in St Helens - no need to be defensive about it, it's pretty simple really.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"i think it's a shame that saints have to put up with the rest of the teams in SL, they should breakaway and form a 1 team league, they wouldn't be unhappy then, they'd always finish top, and they wouldn't have to worry about choking in a semi final'"
They could even have their own forum and call it something like Redvee so they dont have to interact with the likes of us.
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| I don't think we have a chance of finishing top even if we win, I think most Wire fans would agree. Winning would go a long way to securing 2nd though.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"I don't think we have a chance of finishing top even if we win, I think most Wire fans would agree. Winning would go a long way to securing 2nd though.'"
If we had put KR away then gone on to beat saints this week I think we would have done. 2 points between us and the pressure all on them.
Our next run of games:
London(A)
Salford(H)
Castleford(A)
Catalans(A)
Saints(H)
Wigan(A)
Salford(A)
Wakefield(H)
Leeds(A)
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Hull FC(A)
Wigan(H)
London(A)
Wakefield(A)
Leeds(A)
Castleford(H)
Huddersfield(H)
Hull FC(A)
Wire should have 6 Wins nailed on really looking at the fixtures and Saints 5. A Pretty even home straight and saint have a CC Final to play as well. whether that's Vs us or FC it'll be a tough game either way for them. If we'd been a bit smarter the treble was still a mathematical possibility.
As it happens we're well out the way. 2nd place is where we'll finish I think. Saints are too far out in front. keep picking up wins and gaining momentum and a CC & GF Double would still send me on a two week bender.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Wire, like Wigan, is always a big game for us.
It's a big game because it's Wire, not because of the league.
I can see why is feels like a big game in the context of the season (beyond just the local rivalry) for Wire fans, as they absolutely need to win to carry on with any feeling they can finish top.
For us it's different, I don't think the result makes any difference because I'm pretty confident we'll finish top regardless. That's why it feels a bigger game in Warrington than in St Helens - no need to be defensive about it, it's pretty simple really.'"
In the context of league standing it's only 2 points and not a big game for me. Regardless of who wins, I believe Warrington will play Hull (either home or away) to meet St Helens away for the right to play at OT, once the regular rounds of SL are done. It's only an opportunity to see where both clubs are at this moment in time, and no more than that.
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| I don't think Saints will win the treble even though they are much better than everyone else at the minute. If they win the CC then I can see them having a 'hangover' afterwards and dropping some league points and maybe even going out in the playoffs. If they don't win the CC then obviously someone else will.
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