No, that's called getting a better job

To PY,

I posted this yesterday. So far, no-one has taken me up (and please don't come back with"I haven't got time" because that took me about 5 minutes and no doubt I've forgotten or missed others).

Am I to take it that you concede defeat and that your spurious argument/theory holds no water?

Regards AUOP

And they've signed Gary Wheeler. Did he play too much rugby (no even I can't suggest that) too young?

Jesus Christ I've asked which Wigan props (including the "fourth" prop playing at 13 if you like) have had careers where they have improved as they matured rather than their careers dipping due to injuries, if you answer that I'll consider responding to your query by siting examples such as Mike Cooper and Ben Harrison amongst others.

Pretty sure you'll be able to add Ben Evans to that list as well PY. I think Wane has their interests at heart now though as he's managed to give Flower a pretty decent rest in order to give him some prospect of longevity.

Paul, sorry if I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here. I tried to answer your question with a list. Most of them have improved with age, even someone like O'Carroll is plying his trade in super League week in and week out. You suggest that Wigan props are played too often too young, but I can't find any evidence to support that. You may indeed be right, but who do you mean? You call them robots, so maybe I've missed some.

I feel that you made an outlandish statement - that Wigan don't look after their props very well, that they are disposable, that their careers end early or are so busted up that they don't improve - but that you can't support it with names. Instead of just admitting that you might have over reacted you have clung on despite no evidence.

IT'S NOT UP TO ME TO DISPROVE YOUR THEORY, IT'S FOR YOU TO PROVE IT in the first place. Now tell us who you are referring to. Please.





(And by the way, I'm not really interested in point scoring here, if Wire have produced props like Harrison and Cooper and looked after them, them good for them. If Wigan have not cared about their players welfare then that's really bad. If you give me some names and you are right then I'll apologise and concede - is that reasonable?)

I don't know why you entertain these pedantic prats who have nothing better to do than trawl through other clubs boards to discuss the ins and outs of a cat's backside.

I was under the impression that it was a forum for Rugby league discussion.

What is it that you don't like - A Wigan fan attempting to discuss matters that relate to Wigan (take a look at the title of the thread) or that I along with a few other Wigan fans have exposed his 'theory' as stupid?

You obviously aren't comfortable taking your place in the wider world beyond Warrington, so I'll leave you now to discuss next years kit or your top 5 Super League era players or whether next year really is going to be the Year of the Wolf

see somebody does get it.
As I said like reverse trolling or this board has been worded up as wire incorrectly.

I can't think why I and a few other wire fans on here would want to post about wire rugby on a pie board.

To be fair I actually think the opposite, if I was having a read on another teams' board and they mentioned Wire I usually feel compelled to give an opinion.

I'm not saying that I agree with Rogues and AUOP and disagree with PY as I don't know what the answer is and given the topic can't be bothered to look up 'facts' to prove a point either way. However, I do think it's healthy to take in a wider view

It seemed to me it was 3 pies having a chat between themselves on a topic about a player who I don't rate, and putting us to the sword for questioning their club.

I agree totally with taking a wider view but I don't think going on and on about a subject that isn't worth arguing about in order to score some pedantic petty point is worthy of comment. As you have said yourself the matter was insignificant and not worth the effort expended.
I would add that I have nothing against Wigan fans in general but a Richard Cranium is a Richard Cranium no matter what club he supports.

Fair do's Wireone, I agree.

We don't really want to 'live' in a Virtual Terrace world where it seems that pedantry reigns supreme. There are people on there who seem to take great delight in scoring points rather than making them, so much so that eventually there's no point, a bit like this really so I apologise

Excepted by me but not required pal.

Great thread lads

Lee who?

This is one of them threads that would have disappeared ages ago if not for the Bods coming on here, repeatedly saying, this is a Shit thread.




Just let it die, man

Apologies not necessary as no offence had been taken.

Fair do's. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22277940 Wigan Warriors: Lenagan thinks NRL players will return Wigan Warriors chairman Ian Lenagan is confident those who leave for the NRL will eventually return to the club as better players. It was announced on Tuesday that Lee Mossop and Gareth Hock will move to Australia to join Parramatta Eels at the end of the year. "We are confident that if we allow our players to go to the NRL they will come back much stronger players," he said. "And at least 50% of them will come back to Wigan." Ian Lenagan Wigan Warriors chairman

Fair do's. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22277940 Wigan Warriors: Lenagan thinks NRL players will return Wigan Warriors chairman Ian Lenagan is confident those who leave for the NRL will eventually return to the club as better players. It was announced on Tuesday that Lee Mossop and Gareth Hock will move to Australia to join Parramatta Eels at the end of the year. "We are confident that if we allow our players to go to the NRL they will come back much stronger players," he said. "And at least 50% of them will come back to Wigan." Ian Lenagan Wigan Warriors chairman

He was 100% wrong then.

But that's exactly the point. There is no evidence that you can provide (outside of your own unsubstantiated bias) that they do. Of the instances you mentioned, only Prescott could even come close to your description and he had injury problems throughout his carreer! Some players are like that. Rogues has already answered that the rest of your examples are wrong and you still haven't shown any examples of how Warrington don't do what you accuse Wigan of! In fact, I'd be very surprised if you could. All teams play their young props when they perceive them to be ready (Walmsley at Saints, Crosby at Wigan for example). In both instances they've been brought in slowly, usually first from the bench. We, as a club have shown duty of care in this way, if that's what you want to call it, with every youngster who's ever played for us. To be honest, I don't know of any club that doesn't. On occasion we've played players when injured. Equally I can say I don't know of any club that doesn't. If you're looking at making a point over how young players are introduced to the game then it doesn't do it justice by singling out a club just to score points. All clubs follow very similar lines. If you think the approach is wrong then feel free to say so but let's do it in an even handed way hey?

Christ another Wigan fan coming on here and not even answering the question that has been asked.

FYI Mossop was the example that I feel has suffered by playing too much Super League rugby at a young age. You can look and see that I referred to Super League Clubs having a duty of care to their young players, with Mossop being the player under discussion obviously focus is on Wigan. For other examples you could look at what the Wigan coach said about Bateman when Wigan signed him and him being let down by his previous club, you could also look at what he said about Burke playing more games than he should of during his first season. Do you think Shaun Wane was wrong?

Alex Walmsley? Wasn't he 23 before he made his debut in Super League. I reckon he will have a decent career into his 30's.

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May get shot down with this it is off season so excuse me.
The way I look at it is that once Warrington start producing and relying on the amount of talent through their own youth structure as Wigan, who have and continue to do so, you will find that a Paul Prescot situation turns up. I do hope you continue down this path as it will be good for RL. Injuries are part of the game, I would guess the more top level players you produce would lead to an higher level of names that you can mention who get injured?
Just going off Paul wood I think he had a bad run with injuries (you will know more than me) Would say four or so seasons he was at the top of his game but has tailed off since maybe not enough care?or as I think a % of players will get injured playing rugby. Morley played a lot from a young age and he was still strong three seasons back and you could say at a higher level with his NRL stint.

Imo 2013 was the best season Wood has ever played in his career, including when he played for GB.
Last season however, he was pretty much pants whenever he did get a game.