I've always tried to impress on my son what a privileged position he's in to grow up watching a decent Warrington team. I spent years watching crap, and I've seen us get hammered by Widnes before.

Spot on post.For 20 odd years in the dark days of our regular hammerings i followed Wire home + away every almost every match so to see this team lose only once in a while aint to bad is it!Mind you that defeat on Thurs brought back memories of them days the way the team performed as not taking anything away from Widnes as they did the job on us but as other posters have said on here we've become accustomed to success with expectations of blowing most teams off the park but on a brighter note lets hope that debacle on Thurs gives the whole team a kick up the backsides with the play offs just around the corner.Massive improvement needed imo to reach OT.

The thread title, 'shocking', is an apt description of Thursday's performance. Nothing positive to be found in it at all.

But some of the over-reactions have been extreme. We're still in with a great shout of getting to Old Trafford as long as we find some half-backs.

Terrific gutsy performance from Widnes. Well done to them
What was disappointing to me was the lack of leadership out there. If was fair to assume that without BOTH Briers and Myler we would lack a bit of direction but the forwards were inept as well and couldn't get any decent go forward.

We have not really hit the straps all season due in part to having long periods without both first choice halfbacks which hasn't helped. Although continuity has its merits I think a good influx every year brings in new ideas new options and enthusiasm. I am not righting off this season yet by any means but just think that this TS team has gone on a year too long

Good post from both you and Vikingman. We have people throwing the teddies out of the pram after one defeat. Yes, it was an appalling performance on Thursday, but we're actually lucky enough not to see too many games like that. As for people saying they're not renewing their season tickets, well that's just ridiculous on the strength of one performance. You people don't know how lucky you are. Try doing what Yed does, or what Oxford Exile, or Winslades Offload, or what I do. We can't have Season Tickets because we live too far away and can't always get home. I am absolutely pig sick of so called supporters knocking our team and our game. Go back to 2002 and look where we were. Even better, go back to 1999 or 1970 when on both occasions we were within hours of going out of the game for good. this is a good well run club, support it, don't knock it.
Rant over (for now).

Excellent Teessidewire and those posts prior.

Let's enjoy this break, re charge the old batteries use the last couple of games to try stuff out get our heads sorted and in turn we should get behind the team in the play offs

Don't think Doc meant he's not renewing it because we lost to Widnes; maybe he's changed jobs, does shift work, whatever ..... he said "makes him glad he's not renewing" ......

What Thursday showed (again!) is that, whilst there's a difference between the top & bottom teams in SL, if the top teams only put in 90% effort & concentration, they are no match for the bottom teams at 100% ...... It was a repeat of the game at Widnes where half the Wire team thought it was a training session and found themselves getting turned over.

I don't expect anything different than a glorified practice session in the last couple of games and the first playoff game either. There'll be 10 minute bursts of trying moves, both in attack & defence, interspersed with long periods of going through the motions until the knockout games come into play. Remember last years farce when Saints fans thought they'd reached the GF because they won the first playoff at HJ? We played that night the same way we did against Widnes last week. What happened in the actual knockout game at Langtree?

Like it or not, that's how the SL is set up so, why risk injuries once a top 4 spot is secured?

Not too sure about that BBH. I think the Saints game will be high intensity, going all out for the win as we start to wind the team up for the playoffs. Not sure about Les Cats, that could be played at a bit less than 100% depending on league positions at that stage.

If that's the tactic...don't bust a gut trying to win games until the fag end of the season, what value is there in buying a season ticket for the whole season ? I'm not renewing mine for a variety of reasons but that is one of them...I've simply become disillusioned with the game.

I've also seen plenty of hammerings off widnes. Only difference is that when i started watching widnes were an excellent side. Sure, it hurt because it is our DERBY!(somebody needs to remind TS and the players of this), but thursday night was much more painful due to being outplayed by a poor widnes side with only twelve men on the pitch. Unacceptable! And no, i haven't calmed down yet!!

The play-off system is the current victim of sepia-tinted spectacles looking back on a past in which teams supposedly performed with 100% effort and execution 35 weeks a season. No-one ever under-performed, played dodgy, had an eye on another game, got complacent, couldn't be d, etc.

Now, every time a team plays badly or loses, it's the fault of the SL set-up. If a lower-placed team gets stuffed, it's because the salary cap has failed and/or the lack of relegation gives them nothing to play for. If a lower-placed team raises itself and gets a win (or close to), it's because the top-8 system gives the top side no motivation to win every game.

A complete load of McIlorum. The Wigan forum's full of the same navel-gazing crap.

First season ticket in a long while (VP ticket too at that). Will not be renewing.

Why, specifically?

I wonder how some of the posters on this thread would have reacted to the 80-0 drubbing by St. Helens in 1986?

4th Jan 1996 still sends shivvers down my spine what an awful night

I was there that night was it really 1986?
I thought it was in the mid 90's.

it has to be the 90's coz Brian Johnson was still the coach, I remember his resignation over it!

Either way, the reactions would have been interesting!

Definitely mid 90s. I was only born in 1986, so I'm not sure I'd remember being there if it was played then.

I guess I don't enjoy watching the Wire as I used to. I think it's the lack of intensity in most of the games. The Widnes game just encapsulated it all for me.

I'll pick and choose my games next season and pay on the day.

the intensity lacking comes from the fact that our much of our muscle this season has either started off the bench or been sat in the stands longer than they have been on the pitch.

It really is time to say farewell to Moz and Carvs.

Disagree about Carvell

And when was the last time you had a season ticket?

Were you disillusioned with the game when Brian Brady played because the playoff format was even more mickey mouse then, wasn't it just a straight knock out so no advantage for finishing top? Do you remember the year when Warrington topped the league and then Dewsbury won from 8th with Stevo in the team?

It was only in Brady's last couple of seasons that they made it so the league champions were the proper champions.

Personally I think Huddersfield should be crowned champions if they win the league and if Warrington win at Old Trafford from 2nd or 3rd then I wonder how many of our fans will be permanently put off rugby league.