that wicket was a gift to our bowlers,it's all over now,another late night beckons.

great innings by trott which has put us firmly in control..get to 500 declare and have well over 2 days in which to get the aussies out..proves my point about ponting,throwing another hissy fit over a decision which was proved right by video evidence...hope the england players rub there noses in it..

Great day again for English cricket, only blemish was yet another failure with the bat for Paul Collingwood, i'd like to see Eion Morgan given a chance in the 5th test to add abit more steel to the middle order.

great stuff 4 more wickets and the ashes are ours...now wheres my betting slip

I think he shouldn't even be considered for England but that's another debate

Because he's Irish or you don't rate him?

He's Irish, his folks are Irish and he's played for Ireland but like i said i'm not getting in to it on here, this thread is about The Ashes.

cough cough pat richards cough cough

you could quote quite a few..ben harrison robbie and henry paul the list could go on all night

job done..lets go to sydney and give em another good hiding..3-1 would be a fair reflection on the series

No go to Sydney and bore the life out of the Aussies David Gower style! Plus a draw earns me £90 for my 2-1 prediction!

Intersting claim from Pietersen in todays press 'Kevin Pietersen takes credit for Ashes triumph because he'd helped boot out former boss Peter Moores' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... iumph.html

Intersting claim from Pietersen in todays press 'Kevin Pietersen takes credit for Ashes triumph because he'd helped boot out former boss Peter Moores' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... iumph.html

Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Intersting claim from Pietersen in todays press 'Kevin Pietersen takes credit for Ashes triumph because he'd helped boot out former boss Peter Moores' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... iumph.html'" Typical bloody Pietersen this. Monumental hubris.

Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Intersting claim from Pietersen in todays press 'Kevin Pietersen takes credit for Ashes triumph because he'd helped boot out former boss Peter Moores' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricke ... iumph.html'" Typical bloody Pietersen this. Monumental hubris.

when was Gower boring?

decent player who should have scored loads more test centuries if he hadn't had the expected rush of blood in the 60s & 70s - as a commentator he IS boring,in fact,most of the SKY team is boring including 'I better be on my best behaviour' Botham,'spot the personality' Hussain,'know it all,but crap england coach' Bumble - thank god for Warney and the greatest fast bowling action in history that was 'Whispering Death' himself

come on SKY liven it up a bit !

Actually thats true he is boring, in fact for all the good camera work and so on I find cricket on Sky very boring to watch, when I used to be able to sit through a full days play on the BBC when Richie Benaud did it. Nowadays I just listen to TMS where the chat is better, Geoff Boycott is always worth listening to. Also Michael Vaughan and Justin Langer have been good in this series.

Remember when Channel 4 had the cricket for a bit and they had Dermot Reeve going in to the commentary box coked up and slagging off Simon Hughes.

After about half an hour of the Melbourne Test, Boycs was banging on saying England wouldn't or couldn't win the game. The man has gone beyond parody.

The worst commentator by far, however, is Botham. Utterly unilluminating about the play, and also thinks he's funny despite the fact he isn't.

having being weaned on TMS with Jonners,Blowers,The Alderman,The Bearded Wonder,Alan McGilvray,John Arlott,The Boil,CMJ,Aggers,Freddie Trueman et al where probably only 50% of the listening public were actually cricket fans says it all - it was entertaining with cricket sometimes taking second place to cream cakes and butterflies on the pitch or long tailed tits nesting in the pavillion etc etc - Has there EVER been any sports commentary funnier than 'Botham not quite being able to get his leg over ' ??? I was in the car at the time and had to stop ! SKY is boring,thank God England are doing well if not,the viewing figures would be almost zero IMO

botham knows more about cricket than all of us put together..bumble is great entertainment and he to has a great insight into the game..warne is a legend of the modern day game and the banter between them is great to listen to...i agree with the likes of atherton and hussain they`d send a glass eye to sleep.

true about Botham & Bumble but it doesn't actually mean they are entertaining does it ?

it's dour stuff and needs an injection of something or other

you may think its dour stuff i dont...so who would you have out there just so they can entertain you.or was the stuff out on the pitch not entertaining enough

try changing the presenter to begin with ! great player but ooohhh soooooooo boooring.....................

as I said ,good job England are winning otherwise no one would be watching

Botham is an ass....He's the big mouth in the pub, waffling crap. His record as England captain tells you all you need to know about how much of a cricketing brain he has....Bumble is knowledgable but seems intent on playing the fool all the time....Warne is the Australian Botham. He's there to play the Australian role on Sky and he does it in the same style of Botham, that is an arrogant 'we were better when i was playing' type of way....Hussain just lacks charisma. No doubt he knows his stuff, but he is dull....Atherton is ok, was very good with Benaud on Channel 4, but now seems fed up putting up with Botham's brain-dead comments....Holding is similar to Atherton, but is worthwhile simply because he provides a neutral viewpoint.

poster of the year already..questioning the great mans cricketing brain.as if you know more than him.thats why he`s sir ian..

I think you'll find he got his knighthood for his PLAYING rather than any cricketing brain he's got....The fella's a big mouth, who is a knee-jerk reactionary rather than any great thinker.

I'd certainly take more notice of Michael Atherton or Michael Vaughan's opinion than anything Botham comes out with.