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| Some people are quite capable of driving at 90mph on the motorway and be quite safe, these are generally very experienced drivers who are well used to planning well ahead.
The problem is, everyone can be caught out by somebody else doing something quite unexpected, or a momentary lapse of concentration as a result of being very confident in your own ability to react quickly.
Another side effect of people getting very used to doing 90+mph on the motorway is that it results in road rage when somebody in front of them is unwilling to break the law (for example, myself, who is 1 year in to the 2 year "6 points and you're banned/retest" period as a new driver).
As an exmaple of people being too used to doing far in excess of the 70mph limit on our motorways, I had that very thing happen to me one maybe two months after starting driving, I joined the M56 at the top (from the A5117) to head towards Runcorn, and while it is still a dual carriageway, I overtook a convoy of lorries, while still sticking to the speed limit.
During this time, someone screamed up behind me at god knows what speed, and had to slam on his brakes when he reached me (this person clearly unable to see more than 5ft in front of his own car), who then proceeds to flash his lights at me continually until I can pull back in to the inside lane after passing the lorry.
This person then floors it, gets past me, pulls in front of me nearly chopping the nose of my car off in the process, and slams his brakes on, slowing to 45mph, with his hands off the steering wheel, looking at me in his mirror and shrugging his shoulders as though to say: "well you did that to me".
It is people like that who should not be on the road, but by doing far in excess of the speed limit and expecting that everyone should do the same, you leave yourself victim of succumbing to road rage. Slow down, stick to the speed limits, observe road safety rules and you will find the experience much more calming (not to mention improve your fuel economy considerably).
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| Quote ="Paul Thexton"Some people are quite capable of driving at 90mph on the motorway and be quite safe, these are generally very experienced drivers who are well used to planning well ahead.
The problem is, everyone can be caught out by somebody else doing something quite unexpected, or a momentary lapse of concentration as a result of being very confident in your own ability to react quickly.
Another side effect of people getting very used to doing 90+mph on the motorway is that it results in road rage when somebody in front of them is unwilling to break the law (for example, myself, who is 1 year in to the 2 year "6 points and you're banned/retest" period as a new driver).
As an exmaple of people being too used to doing far in excess of the 70mph limit on our motorways, I had that very thing happen to me one maybe two months after starting driving, I joined the M56 at the top (from the A5117) to head towards Runcorn, and while it is still a dual carriageway, I overtook a convoy of lorries, while still sticking to the speed limit.
During this time, someone screamed up behind me at god knows what speed, and had to slam on his brakes when he reached me (this person clearly unable to see more than 5ft in front of his own car), who then proceeds to flash his lights at me continually until I can pull back in to the inside lane after passing the lorry.
This person then floors it, gets past me, pulls in front of me nearly chopping the nose of my car off in the process, and slams his brakes on, slowing to 45mph, with his hands off the steering wheel, looking at me in his mirror and shrugging his shoulders as though to say: "well you did that to me".
It is people like that who should not be on the road, but by doing far in excess of the speed limit and expecting that everyone should do the same, you leave yourself victim of succumbing to road rage. Slow down, stick to the speed limits, observe road safety rules and you will find the experience much more calming (not to mention improve your fuel economy considerably).'"
you got 6 points??
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"you got 6 points??'"
No, he's saying as a new driver, you cannot collect more than 6pts in 2 years, otherwise you have to take a retest, a probationary period if you will. Baring in mind thats only 2 speeding tickets from a ban, and you can understand why it makes new drivers slow down, a very good initiative. As for the driver you mentioned, it is drivers like that who need to be brought to book, and unfortunately a speed camera cannot do that. We need more traffic police on the roads, or assign highways agency powers to deal with these drivers.
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| The problem with the whole Long Lane thing is a simple one....It makes little practical sense.
Now, I'm as big a critic of speeding drivers as anybody, but I fail to see the logic in having Long Lane, which is basically a long clearway, as a 20 mph zone, when its conditions actually suit a 30 limit.
This silly logic is compounded when you realise that 200 yards away, Alder Lane, which services the same route as Long Lane, is still a 30 mph zone despite arguably being a more residential area, with more parked cars, which often make it a one lane road, which will create more potential hazards.
I'm all for speed limits, but they should be sensible and not just pandering to the sensibilities of the anti car lobbyists.
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| In my opinion average speed cameras are probably the best answer. As unsightly and costly as they probably are, drivers have no choice but to keep within the speed limit.
I was up around the Cat and Fiddle at the weekend, bikers paradise and they have installed them there, bet that's uspet some of the bikers! Have no idea how long they've been there but should cut down on the number of fatals in that area which can only be a good thing.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"The problem with the whole Long Lane thing is a simple one....It makes little practical sense.
Now, I'm as big a critic of speeding drivers as anybody, but I fail to see the logic in having Long Lane, which is basically a long clearway, as a 20 mph zone, when its conditions actually suit a 30 limit.
This silly logic is compounded when you realise that 200 yards away, Alder Lane, which services the same route as Long Lane, is still a 30 mph zone despite arguably being a more residential area, with more parked cars, which often make it a one lane road, which will create more potential hazards.
I'm all for speed limits, but they should be sensible and not just pandering to the sensibilities of the anti car lobbyists.'"
Agreed good post.
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| Quote ="Sth_Stander"In my opinion average speed cameras are probably the best answer. As unsightly and costly as they probably are, drivers have no choice but to keep within the speed limit.
I was up around the Cat and Fiddle at the weekend, bikers paradise and they have installed them there, bet that's uspet some of the bikers! Have no idea how long they've been there but should cut down on the number of fatals in that area which can only be a good thing.
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Seriously? There's one route of the list then
They are the best cameras for restricting speed though, but to put them on roads like that is ridiculous. It is a dangerous route if driven with no respect, and bikers have a habit of cutting solid white lines, as do reckless drivers up there. But to punish drivers who like open stretches and clear sweeping bends is unfortunate, but not the end of the world. There are very few roads left in this country where you can enjoy exploring a cars limitations any more. Still, there's always track days......and wales.
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Quote ="Timmy the Koi"Seriously? There's one route of the list then
They are the best cameras for restricting speed though, but to put them on roads like that is ridiculous. It is a dangerous route if driven with no respect, and bikers have a habit of cutting solid white lines, as do reckless drivers up there. But to punish drivers who like open stretches and clear sweeping bends is unfortunate, but not the end of the world. There are very few roads left in this country where you can enjoy exploring a cars limitations any more. Still, there's always track days......and wales.'"
Seriously... yes
www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... EPI-122146
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Quote ="Timmy the Koi"Seriously? There's one route of the list then
They are the best cameras for restricting speed though, but to put them on roads like that is ridiculous. It is a dangerous route if driven with no respect, and bikers have a habit of cutting solid white lines, as do reckless drivers up there. But to punish drivers who like open stretches and clear sweeping bends is unfortunate, but not the end of the world. There are very few roads left in this country where you can enjoy exploring a cars limitations any more. Still, there's always track days......and wales.'"
Seriously... yes
www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... EPI-122146
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"you got 6 points??'"
No hope not anyway lol. All new drivers have a 2 year probationary period, if you collect 6 points (two speeding offenses), then you are automatically banned and have to take an extended re-test.
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| The average speed cameras on the M62 near Leeds at the moment are a tad frustrating.
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| Quote ="Lefty"The average speed cameras on the M62 near Leeds at the moment are a tad frustrating.'"
are they always on or just when they reduce the speed limit ?
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"are they always on or just when they reduce the speed limit ?'"
Well there were big signs at the side of the road with 50 on them for about 5 miles so I would imagine they were on.
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| Quote ="Lefty"Well there were big signs at the side of the road with 50 on them for about 5 miles so I would imagine they were on.'"
Oh, you mean the yellow ones, i thought you meant the permanent ones like the M25
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"Oh, you mean the yellow ones, i thought you meant the permanent ones like the M25
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No they haven't got them yet.....
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| Quote ="Lefty"The average speed cameras on the M62 near Leeds at the moment are a tad frustrating.'"
50 on the motorway does feel quite tedious... no sign of those roadworks ending yet either the last time I went over
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| Just to clear things up a little. If you pass your test and then get 6 points or more within the first two years of holding a full licence, you don't get a ban. You revert to being a learner driver and have to take your test again.
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| Paul. I know that, but it still isn't a disqualification.
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| All this "speed doesn't kill" and "I should be able to drive as I please on quiet roads" is all a bit silly really. It's a bit like saying bullets don't kill - it's people standing in front of guns that cause death. If you have a licence for a gun and a private, safe place to shoot it, then you wouldn't wander around a country lane firing it just because you feel it's safe, would you?
Laws are there for a reason - sometimes they may seem over the top and sometimes they may seem inconsistent, but they still apply to everyone. Follow the law - no fines, no points, simple. If everyone followed the law there would most likely be less accidents too. If you do enjoy driving fast, fine, do it at a place that provides that service such as a race track.
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| Well said Seb. Absolutely right. Best post on this thread by far.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Well said Seb. Absolutely right. Best post on this thread by far.'"
Apart from mine - hehe!!
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| I thought my pro speed argument using logic rather than law was better
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"I thought my pro speed argument using logic rather than law was better
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that was the best post on this thread.....
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| having read the points for and against the 20 on long lane..those who are for the 20..how many would like to admit to speeding even if its just the once i.e doing 32 in a 30 or 42 in a 40 and so on..if theres not one who said they`ve never done it..they are angels or just liars
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| I would say everybody has committed a speeding offence at some time. However, I know it's wrong and I understand why the speed restrictions are what they are. If the police feel that Long Lane needs extra vigilance, then good, let them do it. If I get caught, then I'll just accept it.
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