some one else who`s spotted this....cant see the aussies falling for this trick.....and his defence is rubbish as well...

Should we have played Penny 2 years ago then? Purely based on that? If Myler had played the rest of the season instead of resting so he wasn't injured to sign for us then he'd have walked it, as his stats prove.

It's an even greater pleasure to add a few more stats.

The number of tackles, metres, tackle busts and errors show the real story.

Not to mention tho 40:20 when Myler is perceived to have the better kicking game.

You are the weakest link . goodbye.

Perceived by who? Why make things up?

So the stats show that tomkins has the weaker defence? Smith is a disgrace !

Facts are not allowed on the wire board.

If Myler was so good he would be YPOTY he has only made 4 less appearances thats enough to show you are better than someone.

Oh and Myler plays in the lesser team so has more chance to shine, he is the go to man.

This debate is settled by looking at other fans forums, forget what we think about our own players. Look at all the other boards, look at the VT.

Bit worried about this one though:

Richie Myler
Tackles Made: 181
Tackles Missed: 39
% Tackles Missed: 21.55%

Sam Tomkins
Tackles Made: 328
Tackles Missed: 43
% Tackles Missed : 13.11%

Not sure we can handle covering for a guy who makes around 10 tackles a match and misses 2 of them, not exactly pulling his weight.

Once again this is deteriorating into yet another Wire v Wigan spat. Odemwingie and Rogues Gallery have both promised to behave on the Wigan Board (as have quite a few Wire fans including myself), so they have to come on our Board to slag us off.

Damn you beat me to it

If the shoe was on the other foot and the Wire fans went on the Wigan board proclaiming that Tomkins is useless and shouldn't be in the England team, the Wire fans would get banned before they'd even hit the submit button.

I'm confused, isn't this the England board?

The thing is though neither of us are out of order, we are both trying to debate it with stats and opinions, no insults appart from a few I have had from wire fans but I don't mind if they want to do that.

My opinion is that Tomkins is a better player than Myler and I have stats and various methods to prove this armoured with the fact that Myler has not player for months and therefore should not be in the squad.

Just for the record, the only bad thing I ever said on here was that the wire fans causing trouble were scum, other than that I have never gone over the line.

Where do we say that Myler is uselss?

What you say is untrue.

I see what you're trying to do there. I'll give you 2/10 for attempted effort.

That would explain his missed tackle count, think about it; if you are playing Salford, who would direct all your traffic at?

It is all a moot point anyway, Ratchford is better than them all.

Useless, not fit to play for England, terrible attacking/defensive stats..............it all works out the same in the end. You don't want him to play for England because he is now a Warrington player. You don't want him to play for England because the England coach is the Warrington coach. You don't want him to play for England because he has replaced a Wiganer in the team.

That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Plus I see you've not denied the part about bannings on your board.

IMO, I couldn't care less if Smith picks Myler or Tomkins or McGuire or Eastmond. All I want is whoever gets picked to work together as a team and push England to beating those ***** from down under.

All this whining and complaining about players being picked over others is just pathetic. If you're a proper England fan, you would get behind the team selection no matter what.

Do you hear me whining about Carvell being left out of the squad? I'm not happy about it, but it's Smith who picks the team and I've got confidence that he's picked the right players for the right game.

I'm not going to go and and moan and start a stupid thread saying that Carvell should have been picked, that Smith is out of his depth and that I'm never supporting England ever again.

Sorry I really couldn't help myself. I hope I am proved wrong and look forward to the internationals, although it would be a bit preferable to have a coach not related to a team, because we are just ending up with the referee problem, if he does pick his players he loses, if he doesn't he loses. Not a nice place to be in. Still don't think Mylers defence is good enough though

If this is sarcasm...
Personally I rate Ratchford as much as I do Tomkins and Eastmond. Very good player for his age, could develop into something. I hope Salford keep him.

I hope a lot of people are proved wrong. However, if Myler does not have a good game against the French, then I'm sure Smith will decide to go with Tomkins, who had a cracking game against the Welsh. However, the Aussies and Kiwis are a different proposition entirely.

Not in the slightest. We mullered Salford at our place, but he was a different class even in defeat. Difficult to get a tackle on him and really directed play, even when he was in the centres.

The maturity of his play belies his years.

But Penny was pap according to everyone, and he got in the dream team.

Good, I wish we could see him in a good side though, hopefully Salford will build around him and give Wire/Wigan/Saints good matches in the future and only lose to Wigan



Best kicking game out of the new guys too imo.

I also seem to recall a ton of people losing their top-scorer bets the year after... He was in hot form and there weren't any in-form wingers at the time to be fair, let alone english ones.

I agree, but what would be your stance if Myler plays well score a couple of tries and creates a couple more in a m.o.m. performance, whilst McGuire has an average to poor game, only for Myler to be "rested" for the next game in favour of Tomkins.

Here's what I posted on the Wigan site.

"The only thing I will say about the Tomkins omission is that I hope Smith has the balls to take Sam to one side and explain why he has made the decision.

It could be that he wants to give other players a go who haven't played since the grand final.

I do think that Sam will play at Wigan."

I would have loved us to have signed ratchford. Brilliant player