Then we border on slavery and sweatshops, don't we?



If pushed? Meaning you wouldn't want to see them to do so if you weren't 'pushed'?



Like being encouraged to buy your council house?

Quote ="Vernonwire"I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....'" Good article - it's here www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 382505.ece

Quote ="Vernonwire"I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....'" Good article - it's here www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 382505.ece

Go on son with your White power and all that......


then youve got to love old men that dress up in Nazi costumes havent you....?
at Least When Prince Harry did it it was for a party and When Max mosley didnt do it

he was getting his backside spanked by prozzies.....

but its a free country vote for em....

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Slavery Point - No. As the economy develops, people develop and have more choice. Enterprise then needs to pay more and more competitive wages to attract the right employees. The wealthier the employee, the more the economy develops and so on. This drives up the wage standard.

Pushed. No. As an egalitarian I should be class and background neutral but in truth I do actually prefer to see someone on the bones of their get on in the world and succeed more than I would someone born into more advantaged backgrounds. i.e) I respect Theo Paphitis (who came to this country with nothing) a hell of a lot more than Stelios (who was the son of a billionaire shipping magnate) for example.

Council House I support the ability for people to purchase their own property so long as the revenues generated by this are used to develop other council accomodation.

That's a lovely sentiment but in the real world that just doesn't happen. I seem to remember everbody's wages going up a lot when the minimum wage was brought in.

My personal view is that i would prefer a meritocracy it seems the most logical way of governance. What would your view be on that my good sir?

Their philosophy is that the ethnicity of our nation is fundamentally northern european caucasoids with more recent (last 500 years) being typically Christian in origin, so not at all mongrel. This nation was created over thousands of years of steady immigration. They just don't believe in recent (post 1950's) mass immigration from outside of that ethnic background as they believe it damages the fabric and culture of Englishness. Whilst I'm not a supporter, I do struggle to see much upside in the ethnic ghettos we have created in our cities and towns.

Secular society, the way forward.

Amen to that.

I like george carlins view on religion. If you've never seen him. You tube 'religion is bulls***'

We do have a diversity of immigrants, granted primarily European, initially Roman, then Northern European; Vikings and Normans. You could argue our blood lines go back to Central Europe, those of olive skin. What does that make us? Hardly on a par with Scandinavians.

The comment recent immigration introduces a whole new slant; do you believe post-WW2 Britain could have been rebuilt without immigrants? Personally, I don't.

There can be no argument about the ghettos, althouigh I think your terminology is a bit strong. But surely this is a political, social and cultural issue, it needs to be addressed on all fronts. A simple; different ethnicity doesn't mix doesn't wash with me.

Will do. I'm a big Dawkins fan after reading "The God Delusion"

We had immigrants long before the Romans too, history suggests as far back as 10,000 BC. These formed the Iron age tribes such as Trinovantes, Silures, Cornovii and Selgovae which the romans remarked on.

As I said, the blood line of indigenous early Britons is caucasoid as opposed to the other two classes of mankind negroid and mongoloid. This race basically formed the large part of immigration into Britain up until 1950 when this was changed.

I don't wish to be drawn into the other argument for post 1950's immigration as it was not related to the point I was making.

Remember I am not supporting the policy just dismissing this concept of "mongrel" nation.

Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?

Their stance in relation to what exactly?

Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?'" Here you go. bnp.org.uk/

Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?'" Here you go. bnp.org.uk/

This is an important point on why the market system needs regulating to save it from eating itself, and this is why we need a minimum wage and a good standard of working rights and conditions, good public services and standard of healthcare, even if this comes at the expense of people being able to get 'super rich'.

Most of the consumers in the economy are the average joe, if you produce ipods, plasma tvs, general consumer goods, you're pitching these at people who are not especially wealthy, but have a bit of disposable income free to make some consumer choices, all business is really doing, is competing to get people to make their consumer choices in favour of their product.

When people are unemployed in large scales or are struggling on low incomes then they don't have the consumer choice any more and business collapses.

The problem with this current recession, is that the buy-now-pay-later culture has meant that a lot of people are in serious financial problems, even who aren't financially badly off, because they've got commitments to loans and mortgages which aren't servicable. One of my mates is on £45k a year and is now in major financial trouble just because his girlfriend got laid off from her £28k job. They had a big mortgage, 2 cars, and maxed out credit cards which meant to be serviced by a joint income of more than £70k. It's crazy that somebody on that level of income is now struggling with debt but its by no means atypical, and till they get themselves on an even keel they are taken out of the economy as consumers.

I think we really have to be careful about the limits of "encouraging enterprise", I think its good to allow people to aspire to a better life and to get more but when you're talking what someones net pay is out of £300k a year, or £500k a year, or £1m a year, does it really matter if effectively it starts getting 'capped'. They are already rich enough and wealth spent on personal greed would be better spread around for the public good.

We always hear the arguments for the trickle down effect but it has diminishing returns after a while, some level of wealth redistribution is a lot more beneficial to the economy as a whole because you need to maximise the number of people in the economy who can participate as consumers, so business actually has people to pitch to.

As a side argument from this I am also a big advocate of improving the rewards of the people who actually make the foundations of our economy work even though they don't work in business themselves and actively 'create' the wealth. Teachers, nurses, police, firemen, soldiers, these are people who keep our economy safe and healthy and trained for the skills the economy needs. There should be some redistribution of wealth from the super rich in the private sector, to them.

i've long been a worshipper at the feet of joe pesci.

well, he does get things done.

Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Here you go. bnp.org.uk/'" Blimey - don`t let the resident Stasi on the `Sin Bin` know your posting links to Nazi sites ( tb & Minty will have a thromby !)

Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Here you go. bnp.org.uk/'" Blimey - don`t let the resident Stasi on the `Sin Bin` know your posting links to Nazi sites ( tb & Minty will have a thromby !)

THAT'S jolly decent of you to say, and yes i think we'll have to agree to differ on the political front.

any way are we gonna spank bratfud again on sunday?

And there you go. All respectable now but look a bit deeper. Although the other parties are also riddled with paedophiles, crooks and swindlers.

Even the Mayor Of London was caught attempting to pay someone to beat up one of his rivals. And he was trotted out as our public face at the last Olympics to launch the 2012 event.

Makes you proud to British when the country is run by such pillars of the community.

Since we've drifted somewhat from the elections over the 7 pages, [url=http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2172here[/url is an interesting article on the demographics of the voters.

Wasn`t it Henry Ford who said that the wheels of Capitalism can only turn if the workers are paid to the maximum which the employer can afford ...

On your separate post concerning the minimum wage surely the removal of it will only serve as a taxpayer funded subsidy to employers as the Welfare State would be required to prop up incomes - if you can`t pay £5.50 an hour then effectively your business model is non existent -you don`t have a business or deserve too imo ...

This country is overcrowded. Extremist views will continue to grow.