im sure a few of the posters in this thread think the club are injecting heroin directly into their childrens eyeballs.

and you don't think there is many of them about?




Just because (you like to think) advertising doesn't work on you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect others.



You might be right for now, but over a period of time the club and the media will stop using the name South Stand altogether and it will be known as Truvape stand. If you think that someone is going to hear this name over a period of time and not be inquisitive as to what it means then you're in for a shock. There's a reason companies pay large amounts in marketing and advertising and it's not just to get rid of spare money they have.

I don't smoke myself and it doesn't bother me if I'm near someone who does, but I do feel it's a bad association for the club. This just about sums it up.

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I just can't understand where the uproar is coming from. One of our most iconic kits ever had Vladivar across the front, we were sponsored by Greenalls for years, have competed in the John Player Trophy, Silk Cut Challenge Cup, stones Bitter Championship, Tetleys super league and sell alcohol in the ground. And people are up in arms about something that is legal and bringing money into the club. Anyone would think we were renaming the stand "The heroin is great, go try it kids" stand. Completely and utterly over the top response.

The Prime Time Recruitment Stand never caught on....

Was that the season we were sponsored by "Mend a Hose"

Personally don't like this tie up.
Advertising is there to promote the brand and ultimately make profits from consumers.
Yes - people will switch from standard cigarettes and from other 'Truvape' competitors, but can anyone say that others who are non-smokers won't be tempted to 'try' these - especially those more easily influenced. I just hope I'm not standing near a 'smoker' in future.

If "Truvape Stand" catches on I'll eat my hat.

It sounds like a Fijian fullback.

The Buckley Street Popular Side.

Lets be honest, this debate is about 'Vaping', not alcohol or diesel engine emissions. I don't even think the people here who are annoyed by this decision could be classed as ritual moaners. Just some people feel quite strongly about smoking or something that is, in its very action, directly comparable.

We cant bring up alcohol as, as someone has previously stated, I cannot passively drink someone elses beer. However I can passively breath in smoke or vape fumes. There is nothing 'offensive' by people carrying out the action of drinking, however the action of breathing in fumes / vapour is, in many peoples eyes, offensive or unsociable. The act of breathing out cigarette fumes or vapour is also offensive and unsociable.

I don't usually post on here as my history will prove, as i tend to read and laugh at the comments other people make and so, by default, I don't tend to moan about anything. I do, however, believe that this deal is all wrong. The club, IMO, has taken a step backwards and should, as other people have said, asked the opinions of the majority prior to making this decision.

Great post Paullie

We're now actively promoting an addictive substance. Just because we're getting money out of it. You can't go from, e cigarettes being banned in the ground to hey, you can do it all you want now and wants more we'll even sell you branded gear in the club shop.

We may have had alcohol and cigarette companies sponsoring the game in the past, but things have changed. Advertising cigarettes is banned now and e-cigarettes might not be as dangerous but they are still unregulated and there are still debates on how much harm they can do.

Even if it turns out e-cigarettes are relatively harmless, I wouldn't want my kids getting addicted to them and have to fork out £7 a day to fund the habit. What a waste of money it would be for them and would have a detrimental affect on their own families as they get older.

I read the press release on the clubs website and couldn't believe what I was reading. I've never read so much garbage in my life.

Highlights include:



Of course you want to move people over from smoking, that's your business.



All the other sports are joining in. We're right on trend



Wolves(sic) decision (and O2's) is based on the fact that a company is paying them money for it.



Really? Your promoting an addictive substance as health and fitness.



Reputable brand? Based on what? I hate the term 'match day experience' I go to the Rugby to watch a Rugby game and socialise. That's it, but if some people enjoy the dancing teenage girls, and the pre match singing girls, and the pop music, then that's up to them.

But how does allowing people to smoke enhance the 'match day experience'?



Lee Bryan, M.D. of TRUVAPE added: "We are very excited at the prospect of people quitting real smoking and giving us their money instead."

If people want to smoke, fair enough, that's their decision. I've also known a number of people who have quit smoking altogether using e-cigarettes (and those who have failed), so I can see the benefit, but sports organisation shouldn't be promoting their use. I don't buy the getting people away from cigarettes rhetoric either, as if they care who buys their products.

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excellent post LABob

Hmm to quote ' we cant go from banning e-cigs to promoting them'

How is this different to reversing the ban on alcohol at wilderspool and installing bars on all the terraces?

E-cigarettes may be safer that a tobacco one (much in the same way that getting hit by a car travelling at 30mph is safer than being hit by one travelling at 50mph), but nicotine is still something that I wouldn't want my children to be exposed to. This article make it very clear it's a potent chemical with obvious negative effects on a person's health

Nature Medicine 2001 Jul;7(7):833-9.

Nicotine stimulates angiogenesis and promotes tumor growth and atherosclerosis.
(in leyman's terms stimulates the generation of new blood vessels in the heart and also promotes cancerous cells and hard plaques to form in the heart)

Heeschen C, Jang JJ, Weis M, Pathak A, Kaji S, Hu RS, Tsao PS, Johnson FL, Cooke JP.

[iWe provide anatomic and functional evidence that nicotine induces angiogenesis. We also show that nicotine accelerates the growth of tumor and atheroma in association with increased neovascularization. Nicotine increased endothelial-cell growth and tube formation in vitro, and accelerated fibrovascular growth in vivo. In a mouse model of hind-limb ischemia, nicotine increased capillary and collateral growth, and enhanced tissue perfusion. In mouse models of lung cancer and atherosclerosis, we found that nicotine enhanced lesion growth in association with an increase in lesion vascularity. These effects of nicotine were mediated through nicotinic acetylcholine receptors at nicotine concentrations that are pathophysiologically relevant. The endothelial production of nitric oxide, prostacyclin and vascular endothelial growth factor might have a role in these effects.[/i


From a family orientated club selling a family game as entertainment, taking money from a company that sells a product with potentially serious negative effects on health is in my opinion a poorly thought out move. Allowing a stand to be named after the company stinks to high heaven.

Yet you'd probably buy them a happy meal with a smile on your face.

Nope. Twins that are now nearly 8 and never been to a McD , Burgerking or anywhere else like it. Why, when you have no idea who I am, would you try to demean my serious post about not wanting my children to be exposed to a deadly chemical is beyond understanding. Fool.

lighten up and buy them a big mac.....

and a true vape ciggy while you're at it

start supporting your club FFS

Hey if some of you want to accelerate your cancer risk go right ahead. Just don't 'vape' in my vicinity.

you cant stop us

Just because the club say it is okay it doesn't mean it will be with the non smokers.

I think you should all be prodded into a corner and cordoned off with barbed wire and maybe some landmines.

Have you spoken to Barbara about this?

Thing is, ask someone to stop and they'll just say no as they aren't break a rule. 'Tough' is the word. It's only a minority of saddos who are blowing it into something bigger than it is who cares.

Maybe that's what our bright yellow away shirt is for? To see the players through the dense smog created by the e-cigs. FFS, people are making out like fiddlers ferry cooling towers are billowing smoke directly into the ground.

I agree you should start to reconsider your position here. One thing you shouldn't consider anytime soon IMO is finding your way out of Leeds, what with your conga 'threats' and improper flashbacks, what is all that about, have you vaped on something inappropriate? Anyway you seem like a real handful.

I'm going to throw my opinion behind the lobby that this is a bad thing or at least a backwards step. Sure it's not illegal but as a club we are judged by the company we keep. Emirates is one thing an e-cig vaping company is another and not in a good way as far as I'm concerned, hence the need for all the rhetoric about 'health benefits' when it's purely about the pound notes.