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| Yet another recruitment gem. FFS…
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| Hopefully he es back off to Cas with his new best mate Widdop or goes on Love Island, anything other than playing for us again.
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| Hard to say why it hasn't worked out, but the fact rhat one of Powell's most loyal, first choice generals couldn't rally to his mentors rallying cry is a pretty damning assessment of the season, and Powell's abilities.
I knew it would go pear shaped when he blubbed in his last Cas game, the snowflake.
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| This rumour seems to be gathering pace. I can only assume that we have a half back on hold but need to move someone on to fund it.
I don’t dislike Holmes, although I don’t rate him. If we need to offload someone, I do hope it is him. If it was a Currie, Walker, Thewlis, Philbin etc that made way I fear we may live to regret it. From what I’ve seen of Holmes, I don’t see much in terms of quality right now and no scope for improvement/return to a previous good form.
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| If I have seen Holmes for the last time in a Warrington shirt I will be a VERY happy man. An atrocious player and going off his social media a bellend of a bloke as well.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"If I have seen Holmes for the last time in a Warrington shirt I will be a VERY happy man. An atrocious player and going off his social media a bellend of a bloke as well.'"
Moe, you’ve walked into that classic line by Sir Alec Guinness in Star Wars.
“Who’s the greater fool…”
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Moe, you’ve walked into that classic line by Sir Alec Guinness in Star Wars.
“Who’s the greater fool…”'"
Is that 'who's the greater fool, the fool, or the one that followed him?
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| Matt Shaw seems to think Wire and Holmes have settled whatever dispute they had. He thinks Holmes is staying with you guys
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"Hard to say why it hasn't worked out, but the fact rhat one of Powell's most loyal, first choice generals couldn't rally to his mentors rallying cry is a pretty damning assessment of the season, and Powell's abilities.
I knew it would go pear shaped when he blubbed in his last Cas game, the snowflake.'"
Holmes didn’t want to leave Cas and would have preferred to stay and work under a new coach as like the rest of the Cas team his relationship with Powell had degenerated.
The offer Wire tabled as his age was too good to turn down even if he was reluctant to work under Powell again.
You don’t go from being one of the toughest players in the league to the version of him you saw last year for no reason.
If he dies leave I’m sure he will find his way back to somewhere near his best.
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| Quote ="jonh"Holmes didn’t want to leave Cas and would have preferred to stay and work under a new coach as like the rest of the Cas team his relationship with Powell had degenerated.
The offer Wire tabled as his age was too good to turn down even if he was reluctant to work under Powell again.
You don’t go from being one of the toughest players in the league to the version of him you saw last year for no reason.
If he dies leave I’m sure he will find his way back to somewhere near his best.'"
The first thought in my mind when there was a rumour of OH moving on, was Joe Westerman.
Rejuvenated after leaving.
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| Quote ="jonh"Holmes didn’t want to leave Cas and would have preferred to stay and work under a new coach as like the rest of the Cas team his relationship with Powell had degenerated.
The offer Wire tabled as his age was too good to turn down even if he was reluctant to work under Powell again.
You don’t go from being one of the toughest players in the league to the version of him you saw last year for no reason.
[iIf he dies[/i leave I’m sure he will find his way back to somewhere near his best.'"
Seems like absolute cobblers to me, why would Warrington table a large offer for someone known to be at loggerheads with the new incoming coach?? Powell clearly brought Holmes along with Matautia and Minikin and insisted on playing Holmes despite his woeful form - hardly the actions of a coach at odds with that player?
Plus I'm not keen on him as a player but that seems a little harsh
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Seems like absolute cobblers to me, why would Warrington table a large offer for someone known to be at loggerheads with the new incoming coach?? Powell clearly brought Holmes along with Matautia and Minikin and insisted on playing Holmes despite his woeful form - hardly the actions of a coach at odds with that player?
Plus I'm not keen on him as a player but that seems a little harsh'"
Fair enough believe what you want.
Powell isn’t a coach that gets close to his players or wants to be mates with them generally it’s not his style. See the way he went about his first conversations with the players which caused the Cooper rift and issues around that.
If they are performing as Ollie was at Cas he was an obvious signing to toughen up what is clearly a powder puff pack.
Maybe the offer was too good and he has lost his edge. He certainly wasn’t expecting an offer like he got to join Warrington which was one he couldn’t turn down even if it meant following Powell.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Moe, you’ve walked into that classic line by Sir Alec Guinness in Star Wars.
“Who’s the greater fool…”'"
I don't follow anyone because I'm not on any form of social media. A certain somebody(who posts on here!)sends me loads of Holmes Instagram and twitter posts as he knows it will wind me up!
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| There’s no way we’ll let him go, his instagram game is too good. Peak Wire.
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| Holmes is a quality player and we saw him at about 40% of what we're used to seeing at Cas. He was an obvious choice to sign going on his form for the last 5 odd years. He hits hard, is very aggressive, good ball handling skills and plays long minutes.
This year he has been a shadow of himself, maybe the move to a different club and the positional switch plus moving to a different part of the country (if he did move?) have all played a part in his form dip. Also 90% of our whole squad have been crap all year so that wouldn't help either.
If we'd gotten the tried and tested Holmes i've watched at Cas for years,, he'd be a fan favourite now.
If he does go and it paves the way for a quality half then it's win win and i wish him the best. If he does stay i think he'll recapture his hard hitting form running with the pack we'll have next year, as will a fair few of our squad
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| Tbh, it just doesn’t make sense.
DP to fall out with one of his 3 amigos, just suddenly? DP wouldn’t even drop him when he was stinking the place out.
I’d say it bollox, simply for this reason alone.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Tbh, it just doesn’t make sense.
DP to fall out with one of his 3 amigos, just suddenly? DP wouldn’t even drop him when he was stinking the place out.
I’d say it bollox, simply for this reason alone.'"
Nothing much has made sense this season, I’ve decided to stop trying.
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| It’s correct - Holmes and Bullock being offered to other clubs to free up cap space for half back.
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| Quote ="Crosswire"It’s correct - Holmes and Bullock being offered to other clubs to free up cap space for half back.'"
Maybe not giving ratchford a 2 year extension(which even fans who rate him couldn't believe)would've freed up the cash we need.
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| Quote ="Crosswire"It’s correct - Holmes and Bullock being offered to other clubs to free up cap space for half back.'"
So let me get this straight
We sign four forwards for next year before we have released two forwards we signed only last year on 3 year deals?
What is more until we do so we don't have enough money for crucial positions?
Starting to look like a mess.
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| Quote ="Wires71"So let me get this straight
We sign four forwards for next year before we have released two forwards we signed only last year on 3 year deals?
What is more until we do so we don't have enough money for crucial positions?
Starting to look like a mess.'"
Come on now Wire71 ... it is a cunning plan. Better than Baldrick!
If in the end we get our Centre & HB and (I'd like a big winger). We'll be happier. But who knows how it will all work?
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| My mate came out with a good line in that our strength (money) is also our main weakness. The ability to buy our way out of mistakes seems to hinder any sensible recruitment policy and Powell is coming across like a kid in a sweet shop. Won't be long before he replaces his ridiculous Cas full time pizzas with artisan toasted foccacias to console the boys after another heavy loss.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"My mate came out with a good line in that our strength (money) is also our main weakness. The ability to buy our way out of mistakes seems to hinder any sensible recruitment policy and Powell is coming across like a kid in a sweet shop. Won't be long before he replaces his ridiculous Cas full time pizzas with artisan toasted foccacias to console the boys after another heavy loss.'"
Don’t they get free Dominoes anyway?
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"My mate came out with a good line in that our strength (money) is also our main weakness. The ability to buy our way out of mistakes seems to hinder any sensible recruitment policy and Powell is coming across like a kid in a sweet shop. '"
In a rebuild/fresh start approach you have to be able to draw a line under mistakes made in the past and start making good decisions from day one, so you have a platform to build on while you reshape the squad.
If you come in and start making your own mistakes that you then have to go in to rectify, you simultaneously make your own rebuild much harder and also destroy your credibility with the people who you need to buy in to your approach.
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| On the unbalanced squad thing, I'm wondering if we hadn't anticipated being able to successfully sign all of our potential prop targets, and because we were short, we signed every 'possible' option just in case. Specifically, I'm wondering if we had doubts as to whether we'd be able to sign top targets Vaughan and Mguire and coincidently they were the last prop signings we made; therefore, we played it safe with other signings before these. Out of all the positions we needed to recruit, we were most desperate in the props department so we over compensated.
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