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| Answering my own question - Craig Harvey.
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| 2006 was a good vintage wasn't it?
6 years till we next got some good players through though, but since 2012 i'd argue we potentially have had a player a year who may end up a first team regular, Currie, Ben Evans, Tony King, Jack Johnson. I'd say it's too early to judge whether the youth system is successful right now.
What I'm probably more interested in right now, is the participation in the amateur scene in warrington, how is the club engaging with that, how are we tracking participation in amateur clubs, schools etc. Do the club track the amount of players registered at each age group? How are they influencing participation? I played for Woolston Rovers when I was a kid. We were the only club with a side at each age group, every year, in Warrington. We now have Rylands, Latchford Albion, Crossfields & Burtonwood to go at - is that enough?
Our problem right now is that we are trying to tempt Wigan, Saints, Yorkshire club fans to sign with us - which to be fair we seem to be doing a pretty good job at. But, as I touched on in an earlier thread today - we will have more luck tempting the next Chris Hill to the club if he is a Wire fan in the first place, and we will get him cheaper than paying a big transfer fee and inflated salary to tempt them over.
We have made great strides in the last 6 - 7 years, but we are still at the beginning of this investment - take note Marwan Koukash!!!
Good thread as per Winslade.
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| Quote ="garyhulsefan"Where do we reckon this team would finish (let's just say we'll have GOB twice)? Not a bad pack but badly lacking in the backs and obviously halves.
1. Chris Riley
2. Rhys Williams
3. Matty Blythe
4. Rhys Evans
5. Kevin Penny
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8. Ben Harrison
9. Brad Dwyer
10. Mike Cooper
11. Ben Currie
12. James Laithwaite
13. Tyrone McCarthy'"
no offence too the players. as all players have been great players to play for us. but with the exception of cooper. they are not world class. which sadly is the harsh reality of our academy system thus far
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| I posted this on another thread. Who are the the Wire homegrown players to gain England or GB caps in the last 20 years.
I have Jon Roper. Can't think of any more.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Paul sculthorpe and iestyn Harris'"
Did they come through the full youth system?
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| Wasn't Jon Roper shipped in from Cumbria, & Danny Bridge signed from Wigan iirc.
Now, Wigan are a club that leads the way in successful youth production & should be a template for other clubs.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Did they come through the full youth system?'"
well,they're not warrington born unlike that cumbrian from Dallam Jon Roper, but as far as i can recall, they were recruited at kids to play in our academy, so they came through the warrington system, of Academy, Alliance then first team.
In fact, i've mentioned this on here before, that little cluster from 94/95 that came through, hilton, scully, harris,roper, wedge and colin hodkinson, maybe lee penny but he was a bit earlier, i always thought that they came in and were very strong because of the alliance team that we had at the time. jacko (earlier) and mike gregory were in there a fair bit in that time as they were coming through, imagine being a young kid with greg leading you on the field but, not at first team level.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Did they come through the full youth system?'"
As much as Kevin Sinfield came through the Leeds system. All three were from Oldham I believe?
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| So basically in 20 years of youth development we have "produced" these GB/England internationals
Paul Sculthorpe
Iestyn Harris
Jon Roper
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| Don't forget Mark Hilton
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| Quote ="Wires71"So basically in 20 years of youth development we have "produced" these GB/England internationals
Paul Sculthorpe
Iestyn Harris
Jon Roper'"
Hasn't Ben Harrison played for England...?
Might be adding Cooper to the list too on Saturday, he's one of 4 props in the 19 man squad so should get a game, unless they run with Westwood as a prop.
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| Let's be honest.
We would love to be leaders in youth development, but let's face it, we are shat at it.
May as well just keep taking Wigan bred stock.
Since Riley and Tyke, and we've shipped those out, I think we have to go back along way to see a Warrington youth development of cup winning credential.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I posted this on another thread. Who are the the Wire homegrown players to gain England or GB caps in the last 20 years.
I have Jon Roper. Can't think of any more.'"
Mark Forster is the only homegrown GB international, way back in 1988.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"We also stole Currie from Wigan - he played in their U16's. And last year we apparently paid Leeds a lot of money for Morgan Smith ( England U16's 2012,2013).'"
We never paid Leeds a penny for Morgan Smith. He was 16 and free to choose whichever club he wanted to sign for.
You will get Tingley Rhino saying we paid a fortune to Smith and Rogues saying similar in respect of Currie but in reality kids in RL get paid pea-nuts (and obviously when Kallum Watkins and Ryan Hampshire signed for Leeds and Wigan respectively it had nothing whatsoever to do with the amount of money being offered).
The likes of Joe Burgess did sign for Wigan when there was more money available elsewhere as he was a mad keen Wigan fan however as they learnt to their cost at some point everybody needs to be paid market value or they will leave to go somewhere where they will be.
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| There is nothing wrong with the way our youth system and facilities are set up. They are better than most clubs and I include Wigan and Leeds in that statement.
The harsh reality though is we are just not a rugby town. The amount and quality of the kids playing the game in the Warrington community clubs compared to our neighbouring towns (especially Wigan) is I am sorry to say, risible. On a wider level, schools often struggle to raise teams as well.
There is rarely a team at the top of the NW Counties Premier and winning trophies from Warrington, the last I am aware of was Latchford at U15s-U16s and that is why six players were signed from the team and all of them are still there at U19s.
If we had more quality coming in there would be more quality coming out.
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| Quote ="Tingley Rhino"Not as good as some clubs. Your just the best at pinching them from other clubs because you have a big money backer who can splash the cash. Still two of the best that you didn't get are Cameron Smith and Zak Hardaker at Leeds
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The mighty Leeds Academy who finished seventh in this seasons programme and haven't reached the final for years. Give your head a wobble.
Just count yourselves lucky that the 'Leeds' catchment area has first pick of all the players from Castleford, Wakefield, Huddersfield and Bradford as well as those with LS postcodes.
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Might be adding Cooper to the list too on Saturday, he's one of 4 props in the 19 man squad so should get a game, unless they run with Westwood as a prop.'"
Yes. www.englandrl.co.uk/statistics/p ... &c=England
First cap 2010.
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Might be adding Cooper to the list too on Saturday, he's one of 4 props in the 19 man squad so should get a game, unless they run with Westwood as a prop.'"
Yes. www.englandrl.co.uk/statistics/p ... &c=England
First cap 2010.
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| So, is it worth investing so much in the youth setup for the meagre pickings they produce?
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| Quote ="mark_m"The mighty Leeds Academy who finished seventh in this seasons programme and haven't reached the final for years. Give your head a wobble.
Just count yourselves lucky that the 'Leeds' catchment area has first pick of all the players from Castleford, Wakefield, Huddersfield and Bradford as well as those with LS postcodes.'"
Perhaps our club needs to spread it's net then?
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| Quote ="mark_m"There is nothing wrong with the way our youth system and facilities are set up. They are better than most clubs and I include Wigan and Leeds in that statement.
The harsh reality though is we are just not a rugby town. The amount and quality of the kids playing the game in the Warrington community clubs compared to our neighbouring towns (especially Wigan) is I am sorry to say, risible. On a wider level, schools often struggle to raise teams as well.
There is rarely a team at the top of the NW Counties Premier and winning trophies from Warrington, the last I am aware of was Latchford at U15s-U16s and that is why six players were signed from the team and all of them are still there at U19s.
If we had more quality coming in there would be more quality coming out.'"
I would agree with all of that. Our problem in getting numbers of youngsters from the immediate locality means that the base of our pyramid is a lot smaller than say Wigan, hence there are fewer quality players at the top to fill our academy. That forces us to look outside the area which I suspect is much more difficult.
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| There are far more kids playing the game than when I finished up around 20 years ago so I'd say the situation is improving.
The clubs community programme seems to be well respected, hopefully by engaging with the community we can increase the number of kids playing the game.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Perhaps our club needs to spread it's net then?'"
We have been spreading the net. From our 2013 U19 's, there were only 9 out of approx. 27 that came from our locality, and that included two from Golbourne Parkside which is perhaps borderline. The rest were from all over; Kells, Hunslet, Shevington, Meltham, Saddleworth, Cockermouth, Thatto Heath etc etc. I hope we always draw quality youngsters from the whole Uk, but we still need a larger contingent from the Warrington area. And in any case the RFL are strongly pushing SL clubs to 'regenerate' the local club scene rather than taking from outside their area.
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