The problem with teams looking offside is because refs are not consistent with how they line teams up. Some will stand the 10m back from the play the ball others will stand 12m back and walk up as the ball is being played, which makes it frustrating for fans as they think teams are offside because they are in front of the ref, who is actually 12m back.

Who is in charge of policing the offside anyway? Liner or ref?

More the ruck speed than offsides today but both mixed together and we didn't get through many sets without el whistleo blowing up

Slowest game I have witnessed. I have seen faster, clearer rucks at 2nd division, regional RU.

I am getting the feeling Silverwood revels in the pantomine villain role.

Ref

I am becoming a miserable old man, but I thought the game today was dreadful and Warrington played the sort of rugby that makes me want to go back to five drives and a kick. We have no self-awareness, respect for possession (or the opposition) and play the game in exactly the opposite manner to which you'd coach kids to play. Playing with ludicrous offloads in your own 20 and on the second tackle, as if the clock is permanently stuck on 79:59 is not my idea of rugby.

After being on the back foot for three sets on your own line, you need to just respect possession and to complete a set, but those basics appear not to enter our head. Our completion rate is criminal and I don't need to wait for the OPTA stats to know that our error rate is the highest in Super League. It's utterly brainless and we won't get away with it against anyone remotely good.

Apart from that, I thought we were okay and will p1ss the league unbeaten.

It makes me sick.

No way was the game 'dreadful'.

We scored some great tries, our defence was good and at times very good.
We made some mistakes and occasionally went for offloads or passes that weren't on or necessary.
Rovers tried really hard and gave us a good game.

Not in any way was the game 'dreadful'.

having not gone to the game its impossible to comment on the ref but from what ive heard its no surprise that this pillock is getting a canning..worst ref by a mile...just hope we dont have him when we play saints

DELIBERATELY OBTUSE, only you will know

Yes, we frittered away possession too easily (at times), trying to be the RL equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, and I'm just as critical as you, re this (at one stage, I had a Stains Friday night collapse in my mind), BUT, we've put 42 points on someone, and I'm sure we wont 'fling it about with gay abandon', against any of the big oppostion, when the time comes.

I'm happy for the game to be "boring" if we win every game by 32 points!

As it goes, I enjoyed the game today, albeit with some sloppy play in the first half.

I thought today's game wasn't brilliant, mainly to the fact we played nowhere near as well as we can. However 99% of the time we play some of the best rugby in the league and I can't argue with winning so I enjoyed the result and the tries we scored.

I'm happy to see the players try to go for the moves, throw the ball around, etc, but I do get annoyed when we do it after having soaked up a ton of pressure on our line, to then knock on 30 yards out from our line and have to soak up even more pressure again.

I'm 80% sure I remember Tony Smith, around this point of last season, making a statement in an interview that "We're still learning when we should be throwing those balls or when to just keep hold of it", maybe that same learning curve applies again?

(I'm certain he said it, I just can't remember exactly when!)

People may be getting the wrong end of the stick here. I am not being critical of us winning today or even our performance doing so. it was the nature of the game that was frustrating. The game has changed this year quite clearly, and is more a ground wrestle_athon, than free flowing rugby. I don't like it personally.

At times the game did become a little flat but i dont understand all these people going mad about our "daft offloads" people who watch Warrington know the way we play and we have our own unique style, when we did the offloads that i think people are referring to, trent waterhouse and westwood in the 2nd half there was no way we were going to lose the game, and if they had come off which they very nearly did then we would have been talking about yet more brilliant tries. Sometimes they come off sometimes they dont and the odd time that they dont im happy to clap and see that it was a brilliant idea and that is the way we should be playing! when we do it on our own 20m line against saints with a 2 point lead and 5 minutes to go then you can all have your moan..

That old saying "live by the sword, die by the sword". We weren't moaning last year when this style of RL scored us over 1000 points and put us top. We are on to do the same thing again this year already.

Ruck speed is rediculously slow. Teams know they have to do this against us or they will get cut to ribbons in minutes. It was just painful at times how KR got away with it for so long.

I didn't see or hear this game so won't comment on it exactly but there was one advantage of the opposition slowing us down, it was there to see v London, our superior fitness levels.

What they end up doing is conserving our energy and then get battered in the final quarter.

Last season we seemed to blow teams off the park from the off and would tail of towards the end, seems to have gone the other way this season.

If that actually happens we're all blaming you

i read in the programme yesterday that smith was looking to play a slower rugby this year? this mite have a ittle something but to slow it down that much has got to be down to kr players holding down and the ref not picking up on it.

perhaps silverwood slows the play down so that he can keep up with the play?

Yes, but we were only 8 points in front at that stage, had very little posession in the HKR half, and were under the cosh. Sensible play would have been to make steady progress upfield and end with a kick to turn the game around again.

Agreed. It seemed to be offload at all costs.

Dont mind us throwing it around but Hull KR came back into the game and we had no field position so just needed a couple of basic sets to force them back down field as we was only 8points in front. Speed of the game was very slow which is why the game had no atmosphere.

I thought that we were a bit loose yesterday too, too much for me. I'd like to see us complete sets at times, when we've gone 5 minutes without the ball, just to settle it. I love in general terms our attitide with ball in hand, I just think we overdid it somewhat yesterday. That said, we're obviously uber confident in our defence that when we do spunk posession we don't cost ourselves and it's a good fallback.

I'd also like to see more of our sets that go the distance (they are few & far between) not always end up with a Briers Up'n'Under, I think we do that at times to keep the ball on the field and back our fitness etc, but it does bore me really, I hate those kicks.

It wasn't vintage, we got the job done. We're producing some terrific plays and scoring some great tries, really does seem petty these days pointing any criticism at the team & coaching staff.

KR came with a game-plan of taking us on down the middle, and fortunately for us, they were clueless on the final ptb. We got sucked into a down the middle game, and our mistakes came from trying to rush the play. In the 2nd half, when they realised they had to score points, the game opened up, with Hodgson,Dobson and Hall wanting to move the ball about.

Warrington's defense was excellent when it needed to be, but imo, KR are not getting the credit they deserve. A 14-18 point victory would have been a more realistic scoreline, than the flattering 32 points.

The problem Warrington have now, is supporters expectancy. Expecting us to score off every move, length of the field tries etc, but sometimes, as like sunday, some results have to be ground out.

I agree LW, the scoreline did indeed flatter us, but, don't think that the majority expect us to score off every move. I tend to agree with JWP and a few in the South East voiced similar that more completed sets would serve us better especially against stronger opposition no disrespect to KR where loose ball will get punished.

I don't think it was a boring game but frustrating....probably so, like an early season run out. BTW last season was a real struggle IIRC so onwards and upwards

nail on the head. he can't waddle fast enough if its a quick ptb

It was frustrating as Hull KR were awarded the opportunity of slowing the PTB down without earning the right to do so. Having lots of bodies in the tackle, doesn't always equate to being dominant.