I'd agree with that, and i have never argued to the contrary. Morley has had a fantastic career.

However Graham has been better this year and i'd take output over reputation.

Why is it that any posts from fans of another team get shot down on this forum, even when they have a valid point. The point about our defence was true but just because it was a Stains fan everyone has to start taking the proverbial out of Graham.

Yes,this is a Warrington forum but it's good to hear non-Wire opinions. Lets not make a reputation for ourselves on the web as being single minded idiots.

How do you know?

and how many times have you watched morley this year?
about as many times as i have watched graham,how you can say graham has been better this year baffles me,does graham inspire or lift your team to the extent morley does with ours,the stats are often broken down to the smallest fraction but some things you can't measure.
come back and argue when graham has had a successful stint in aus winning over the anti english sydney press and gaining the respect of a plethora of top drawer aussie front rowers.
they may both have had outstanding seasons but to suggest graham is superior to morley is way off the mark.

All but one or two of Warrington homes games i've been at. The ones that have clashed with Saints home games i haven't been at. Plus obviously all of the games Wire have been on TV. So i've seen Morley quite alot.



He has. Unless you don't count more yards, more carries, more tries, more offloads, more tackles, more attacking kicks, less penalties, less missed tackles and more tackle busts as being better?

The main job of a prop is to make the hard yards. In only one more game the difference between Jammer and Morley is half of Morley's entire season production.



Morley is a more vociferous and vocal leader. Graham doesn't have to be. We have Cunningham, Long and Wellens who do the talking. Graham is the leader in the sense that he will put the pack on his shoulder and carry the ball in time after time.

Morley would definately have the edge in terms of leadership.




As i've said a number of times. Morley gets a hell of a lot of respect for his time in Aus. He was outstanding, and being a Roosters fan i watched him a number of times. That said, i don't see the fascination with Aus being the only way to prove you are world class, and secondly the discussion isn't about previously it is about this season.




No it isn't.

I'd love an actual discussion on this, so why has Morley been better than Graham?

morley is better than graham,
discuss.

So you've watched a lot more RL than Chris Irvine has this season to make that judgment? You're a simple Saints fan trying to be a forum keyboard warrior. Chris Irvine is a well respected Rugby League journalist.

Let's face it, I'd take anything Irvine says over anything you say every day of the week. Hell, I'd even listen to Nosey Parker before listening to you.

However, if you feel like you can do a better job, why don't you email Chris and tell him personally. Or apply for a RL journalist position. Let me know when you have done it.

Because fella, at least 70% of the shiiiiite spewed on this forum is by supporters/fans of other clubs.

The other 30% is by Natters.

PMSL.

Steve Bull scored endless goals for Wolves in the lower divisions but would never be called world class.

To be considered as one of the world's best you have to play at the top level. The NRL is head and shoulders above Super League as a test of a player's ability. I would love to go and see Graham test himself in the NRL. If he does and comes away with his reputation not only intact but heightened as Morley did then he can stand aside Morley in relation to his standing in the WORLD of rugby league.

Woah go easy St Conroy is the guy who broke the news that Stuart Reardon was fit to play months before he was released by Warrington. The fact he is still not fit is all part of the "Reardon-Gate" scandal.

Ah yes, I do remember that now, Herb. Boy, that was a doozy of a comment. I hope Hull FC's doctors have been struck off for even assuming that Reardon was not fit.

All good knockabout fun but Chris McKean has a point. Why not argue on the facts rather than attacking the one posting a thought?

There is the germ of a good thread here because whislt our pack has, on occasion, really driven us forward, at other times we've been torn apart. It looks a good pack, but it HAS failed on far too many occasions.

That is the failure of the collective not the individual. Just supports the fact that Morley has been even more exceptional than Graham this year.

to me that quote sums up the whole debate

For gods sakes I despair sometimes.
If anyone here wouldnt swap Morley for Graham tomorrow you're freakin thick.

If they were the same age etc ? I probably wouldn't.

I think Graham has Fielden Mark II written all over him, way too many minutes, too much burden and heading for burnout by the time he's 28. I see next season being any different neither, the addition of Fozzard just looking like another depleted pack with Graham doing alot of work yet again.

He's a fantastic player, I'd just like to see Saints look after his interests & long term future a little better, that said, the clammer to win stuff every year is such that they've just got to do what they are doing to him, flogging him to death.

I agree. I've a bit of an issue with this clamour over James Graham, with much of it being based on the meters he makes, yet his average meter gained is pretty average, and when it comes to getting you out of your own 20 with a hard drive and a quick ptb, I'd choose Morley and Carvell every time.

Too often now Graham gets put on his back, as he is a marked man, and gets up slowly looking disgusted at the referee.

After last years Grand Final, I made the comment in the stadium to a mate who is a Saints fan, that he needs to stop thinking he is a Stand Off, and start taking the ball in. Against Leeds in that game, they weren't falling for his link play (we do every time!), and he just looked like a 2nd rate halfback instead of a world class prop.

I'd love to see him playing 40-50 minutes a game in two spells just like Morley and Carvell, as that is when we will see his best IMHO.

Graham should do what Burgess looks to be doing; testing yourself against the best.

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The NRL is not the best. The World Club champions are nearly always SL teams.

He can test himself against the best when the Kiwis are over for the Four Nations.

ahahahahahaha ahahahahaha ahahahahaha

if you have watched the nrl, you will know that it is ten times harder and tougher than super league. if you have watched the nrl and dont know that, then you have some serious problems.

I think you'll find that was said tongue in cheek.