Must be a windup. How is it not cowardly? Aiming your knees at a smaller player lying on his side and defenceless is cowardly.

In reference to wane:

"Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"

How can you interpret that any differently? It is what it is and just confirmed what we all knew about Wigan (under Wane). Just look up the definition of reckless.

No surprise that of the 7 incidents the disciplinary panel looked at from our game only 1 was a Warrington Player.

Even if you do define it as cowardly, is it really the most cowardly thing you've ever seen on a Rugby pitch? Really. Hand on heart can you even say that with a straight face? Smaller player? Like that matters, this isn't boxing, they all play on the same pitch and whether it's a prop or a winger that shouldn't matter. It's the act that matters.

I just explained how a rational person might interpret it. My mum used to say to me "I'm gonna kill you if you carry on." Better get her locked up for threatening to kill a child. You can take it on face value when it suits your agenda. It's also quite easy to see how a rational person might read into that. I know if I was a rugby player I wouldn't think my coach was literally telling me to knock someone out. It would be very interesting to hear what other coaches say if there was a microphone, as even at amateur level I'd been told to "knock em out". It's a way of getting aggressive.

Sure the definition of reckless is like that, but etymology has shown that words can change meaning, or be used outside their traditional meaning, this case, reckless being no as safe with the ball. Do you complain to Sky when Eddie calls a daft offload "reckless"? Probably not because you, as someone with a brain, know what they mean.

Right, so one game where Wigan got done for more than Warrington means Wigan are and always have been dirty. What about at the HJ - Simms banned for punching a smaller player (if we want to play it that way) on the floor. 2013 GF - Ben Westwood banned for breaking Blake Green's cheekbone (another smaller player) whilst on the floor and held by another player. Swings and roundabouts. No team is any dirtier than any other team. It's a tough sport and it spills over sometimes.

Oh look... a Wigan fan mentioning the Westwood punch on Green.

Never saw that coming.

I havent suggested it was the most cowardly act I have seen. I just think it was cowardly as others have said. The size of a player does have something to it - if I was playing I would prefer Ratchford coming after me for retribution rather than someone like Ben Westwood.

I am sorry but I fail to see how you or any other person with a brain can interpret Wanes comments any other way. They are in reference to crap defence and knocking people out. Reckless is a very odd word to use if you don't intend it to mean it's true meaning. Especially when considered against the rest of what he says.

Wigan have reputation nowadays across the league which isn't a coincidence. All clubs have incidents of poor discipline / dangerous play - wigan just have more.

To be fair, neither did Green!

Sorry it was someone else who said that, my mistake. As for the weight, it matters, but shouldn't matter when reviewing incidents like this. If the stats online are correct there's only 5kg difference between them anyway. Farrell isn't the biggest back rower going (probably why he is IMO ineffective at international level).

I can speak as someone who has played RL for a number of years and has been told by coaches similar things that Wane told his players. I've been told to knock people out, I've been told to be reckless - it's more evocative and gets you in the right mind set that the coach wants you to. I knew what he meant and didn't knock anyone out nor was I reckless to the definition but played a little bit riskier.

I'm aware of Wigan's reputation, but I emplore you to prove it because I've certainly tried. Stats are notoriously difficult to find but for this season at least they are nowhere near the most penalised team (not always indicative of foul play I know) and Farrell is the first person to be banned this year. No player has had a significant injury as a result of contact with Wigan. I know these are all quite vague but I honestly believe, as someone who watches at least 3 games of RL and who has played it for at least 10 years that whilst they're no angels, they're also no worse than many teams. They're under the microscope a lot more, more TV games, more publicity when a player does something and plus the reputation they have.

Let's just agree to disagree as this could well go on forever. What's done is done, Farrell was 100% in the wrong and deserves his ban and I genuinely hope it cuts this out across the sport because it's not right.



Why shouldn't it be brought up? It's relevent to the topic at hand and a perfect counterpoint to certain accusations. Glass houses and that.

It's not that it should not be brought up, it's that between that and the sims on Williams last year, you've got nothing else to pick on. Whereas you've got a ing laundry list as long as my leg for incidents involving Wigan going all the way back to when fadge took over. Stuff that you got pinged for and stuff you've got away with.

Oh sorry, Paul wood punching about 2 years ago in retaliation.


Going back to the metaphor involving your mum, does your mum's siblings, or several offspring have previous for being complete and total s sort of connected to what she used to say ? Probably not, so they're not comparable in any way.

You know what the problem really is, over the last five years youve got players who have massive ty chips on their shoulders, like the tomkins bros, mccilorum, Crosby, and a few others, but what's surprising is how many players you've signed that seem to have the Wigan scowl and attitude, flower and dudson were pretty normal forwards at the crusaders, sarginson and clubb, I don't know what you've done to club but he seems a right horrible now compared to when he was at London.

It was no surprise that bateman signed for you, cos he's a horrid niggly house, notice you didn't pick up whitehead from Bradford.

Can we just note as well, I didn't even mention Gareth hock during this, or Joel Tomkins elbow drop on myler after scoring in 2011 which was so late there was an Olympics and world cup in between the try being scored and him hitting him.

That would have been me, but to be fair I did say one of the most cowardly acts, not the most cowardly. I would also say that much of that post was written in the spur of the moment within seconds of watching the match on TV for the first time. However, I stand by my comment about it being cowardly.



You clearly come across as an intelligent and articulate individual and would obviously take some statements and instructions with a pinch of salt whether it be from a coach or your mother. But we are talking about a group of testosterone fueled young guys, desperate to win, many of who are hardly the sharpest tools in the box, being told by a guy they possibly idolize and would do just about anything for to go out and knock people out, cause mayhem etc. If Shaun Wane built his players up before the Saints Grand Final in the way he did on that video, then it could be argued that he is partially responsible for Ben Flowers ott assult on Lance Hohaia and from there wigans defeat as well.

Anyway, chip paper now, can't wait for the return at the HJ.

Call me Sherlock, but I'm spotting a common denominator in all this.

I've put my deerstalker on, played my violin, and consulted my friend John, and come up with these clues.

Our perpetrator
1) has a penchant for bananas
2) on a team defeat, will regularly put emphasis on a ref's performance
3) likes to talk about winning/losing "the floor"
4) during lovemaking, he will mistakingly call his wife "Mickymac"
5) an anagram of his name is HAS A NEW UN
6) is an odious gobpooh, with no redeeming character traits at all

As a well known Australian sex offender would say....

"Can you tell who it is, yet?"

Garry Schofield was on the radio tonight and he said Farrell should get a four game ban.

Garry Schofield in being an attention seeking pr1ck, shocker

Crackin' me up again Lefty !

This whole incident could (but wont) bite Wigan on the bum, and it's the ref's fault.

(I can't be ar53d trawling through 8 pages, to see if it's already been posted, but) Farrell had already been sin-binned for the professional foul on Clark (iirc). He comes back on, and then shows, yet again, Wigan's ugly side. He could've easily pulled out of his assault. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. Had Hicks done his job properly, Farrell would've been shown him another yellow card, which (I assume) is an automatic sending off. Wigan then play the rest of the game with 12 (they'd've CERTAINLY lost, then), but, (again, if I've got this right) 2 yellow cards doesn't warrant a visit to Red Hall on a Tuesday night. The ref "bottled it", so the game could continue as 13 v 13.

Now, old ginger boy has to go up before the RL beaks, as he's been "called in".

Personally, I've got more chance of having a pooh in the Queen's handbag, than him getting banned, BUT, the opportunity is there, and Wigan are short on numbers, as their posters have CONTINUOUSLY reminded us, since their defeat. Had Hicks done his job properly, Farrell and Monkey Man would've saved the petrol money on a trip to Leeds tomorrow night.

I think (might be wrong) that you can see the bin twice in a game. Third is a red.

There's no rule for it. Practically I can't see a referee ever sin binning someone three times though of course

The fact that the little scroat ran off immediately after the incident tells me all I need to know, he knew what he was doing and knew what he had done and that act was premeditated without doubt. Hiding way out of any action until half time shows just what a cowardly little scroat he is. He will get what Red Hall see fit and I think fans of any other team like us will have a pretty good guess at that.

I was very surprised that Isa escaped a charge for his peculiar attempt to tackle Cox by leaping towards him with his knee leading.

The disciplinary outcome was:
"Player jumps on approach into tackle. Knee is promoted forwards however knee does not make contact with opponent".

That doesn't really promote any confidence in the process does it?

I always keep an eye out for Sam Powell too.
He's had 11 cases against him since July 2014 compared to 3 for Farrell in the same period.
All but one against Powell were for dangerous contact in the tackle, yet he has been charged only once.

I've watched the game again and Willie Isa did two assaults on Cox that were to say the least dangerous. I would not in any way call them tackles. Cox got hurt (but tried to brush it off) and was lucky not to suffer more damage. One was picked up by the commentary team saying he led with his knees. The disciplinary committee reported that he did indeed led with his knees but made no contact with the attacking player with them. It's a bit like swinging a big punch and missing ... and so being let off for it. Players with the ball need more protection.
* Sorry about this. I wrote this at the same time as above comment was appearing. I too have always noticed Sam Powell ... he is a dangerous little man who comes in late and low

EGP taken, misses the game at Wakefield on Sunday.

I remember Brent Webb getting binned twice in a game (London away I think) - can't think of any other instance though

iirc thought that was against us at the HJ. One for fighting with Ben W the other for backchating the ref.

Both are correct

Paul March of Wakefield got two yellows by Ganson at Bradford.

I'll have to go undercover to have that pooh, now. Mind you, Michael Fagans managed to get himself into Her Maj's bedroom in the 80's. Hope the Corgis don't catch me. I'll just blame it on them.