It's ok deano.... Were all friends on here.

Don't remember that, but I do remember ridiculing you after Matty Cooper had said you weren't afraid of St Helens and would beat them if you drew them despite not beating them since their star man Guy Fawkes was out due to unforeseen circumstances and having not won at Knowsley Road since a young Joseph of Arimethea caught a Thomas Doubter bomb in the dying seconds to go over.

With regards to the Monaghan case, he will take stick but dependant on how far it goes should determine whether fines are handed out not Tony Smith, and it is NOTHING like the Thomas case.

Can we break this down AGAIN



So good natured abuse is inevitable AND IF it's good fun FAIR ENOUGH
So he isn't putting a blanket ban in a catch all policy of abuse just saying DON'T go over the top.
Reading in to this he probably means vitriolic abuse



Now my little pedigree chums he isn't saying dog chants and homophobia are the same but he is equating the word ABUSE aimed at one player, which is over the top as being the same thing.
He is just using the Thomas case as a point of reference to the precedent set by the RFL for abusing a player.

Is it so hard to understand or does supporting a team other than Warrington turn you in to a complete one eyed moron ?

It's easy to understand. What people are commenting on (or at least I am) is that abusing a player for being gay is totally different to abusing a player for something else.

If someone decides to abuse Stuart Fielden for being knocked out by Mason when we play Hull KR then that is totally different to abusing a player for being gay as would be abusing Raynor or Bailey for their criminal past. Abusing Monaghan for what he did is also different. Yes It's abuse but it's not strictly illegal as homophobic or racial abuse is.

That's why I think it would be tough for Smith to call for clubs to be fined ala Cas.

Who's Matty Cooper?

Whatever his name is.

Micheal Cooper

I get that, but forget the word homophobic and concentrate on the word abuse.

Try it this way
If i assaulted you for being gay or assaulted you for dog fellatio would the police let me off for the 2nd offence ?

Good point

No, but you'd get a harsher sentence for the first.

I just think Smith (or the writer, whoever, but it seems like it was smith implying) that using a case of abuse of a gay man as a precedent. If, for example, a club had been charged for calling Gleeson for the bet scandal, or Hock when he comes back then you can say there is a preceded. I just think it was a mistake to even claim that both types of abuse should be dealt with in the same way.

Homophobia is disgraceful and should result in serious consequences. Shouting out abuse at a man who would have been arrested had he done that act here is a different matter.

And for the poster who claimed that he must be gay as he's arguing this point, grow up.

No they wouldn't, but your point is irrelevant. Your argument doesn't work. Why would anyone even need to mention the action taken on the 1st offence when discussing whether you'd be prosecuted for the second? It just isn't relevant. Why would someone describe a homophobic assault as forming a precedent for how the 2nd offence would be prosecuted - they're different cases and the homophobic assault offence would be prosecuted as a hate crime and the sentence would be much more severe. There's no valid reason for the comparison, unless all you're saying is that the police prosecute assaults. But that's obvious so it still begs the question of why you'd mention offence 1 when discussing offence 2 in the first place...

ABUSE IS ABUSE IS ABUSE

Whether it be homophobic, racial, dog bothering, chinchilla breeding, dove tailing with a blunt saw.

For the last time

He's not saying homophobia and dog sex are the same he's saying that

There is a precedent set for chanting that is [ubeyond what is deemed acceptable[/u in a modern civilised society which involves a fine for said offenders

Most of it by you. Even your own fan's admit Smith wan'ts saying they're the same. Let it go FFS. People have been fined for going overboard with abusive chanting before and if it goes too far again then it could be looked at under the RFL rules. No comparison with being gay is made whatsover. Please ask soembody to explain this to you as you have great difficulty at grasping. Smith even said he expect's abuse and Joel does.

who deems what is acceptable?

Society. The man in the street.

That's why you can drop an occasional f bomb on TV but you can't use the c word.

Thats not true, as homophobic chanting is illegal and so is racial. but calling someone for letting a dog munch on them isnt illegal so who decides if it goes too far?

You cant drop a f and more than a c as people will complain if offended so will end up the same.

each week someone from the RFL picks up a yellow pages.... they then proceed to close their eyes, flick through the pages and randomly put their finger on a name.... this person then gets to listen to recordings of the top 3 rated pieces of abuse (as chosen by a specialist RL celebrity panel) from the weekends games.

IF the person deems the abuse to be unacceptable, the relevant clubs will be fined £10,000 more than the amount won on the previous days 'deal or no deal'.

Come on moderators: any chance we can ban the Wigan bumders off here?

Although I'd suspect Deano (as in Torvell and Dean I suspect) would pot an e-mail off to his local MEP claiming it as a breach of the European Free Speach Charter going off his record of ever so slight over-reaction.

don't encourage them (the RFL), they'll take this idea on
after all, they use the same procedure with foul play on the pitch, don't they

incase anyone from the RFL is reading and taking notes.... please find an idea for the first weeks celebrity panel below

Graham Norton
Elton John
Bob Carolgees

I would think all 3 know where the fine line between abuse and humour is.

is bob carolgees gay?

no but he does put parts of his body.....I'd better stop

I'm not sure.... He spent most of his time with his hand up a dogs a*se though.... I was just trying to make sure the two subjects had representation.. Deano might have wrote a letter of complaint otherwise.

anyroad, fed up of this, todays thread lockage is brought to you by the words
Boring, Obtuse, and Wigan Fans.