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| Quote ="the original stevo"no body went to the wall until his gesture he then fueled the situation so please do not mis inform people'"
He's a professional who gets paid for his actions.
We are fans who pay for ours
(I did not move to the wall)
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| i was at the match, king reacted to abuse he could hear from fans in the stand nearest to him, his response, a very stupid one from a professional was stupid and enflamed certain fans further, i can't blame king, can't condone his behaviour, but if some one shouts "your not fit to wear the shirt" i'd be tempted to punch their face in to be honest, all this booing and wingeing sure as f*** won't help us turn any corners in the near future. today leaves both players and fans feeling rather ill to be honest...
bring on the trumpets!
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| Quote ="the original stevo"no body went to the wall until his gesture he then fueled the situation so please do not mis inform people'"
doesnt give them the right to run to the wall, tell u what we should make the grounds kid free zones so the verbal abuse can be carried out without upsetting anyone, as said dont agree with booing but can understand fans frustration, what I dont agree with is the targetting of individual players and hurling abuse at them, also didnt agree with kings reaction but can understand his frustration. he wasnt the worst player on that pitch. it was a very poor team effort. but hey lets not give credit to the Quins. Well done Quins good win , just asking did any fans wait for the players after the game to vent their frustrations as sometimes happens
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| Quote ="stubblesteve"doesnt give them the right to run to the wall, tell u what we should make the grounds kid free zones so the verbal abuse can be carried out without upsetting anyone, as said dont agree with booing but can understand fans frustration, what I dont agree with is the targetting of individual players and hurling abuse at them, also didnt agree with kings reaction but can understand his frustration. he wasnt the worst player on that pitch. it was a very poor team effort. but hey lets not give credit to the Quins. Well done Quins good win
, just asking did any fans wait for the players after the game to vent their frustrations as sometimes happens'"
Morley came into the Kings bar after the game, He shook hands with Fans and as far as I know everything was fine.
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| Quote ="gzus"Morley came into the Kings bar after the game, He shook hands with Fans and as far as I know everything was fine.'"
did anyone get his thoughts on whats wrong with the team, I dont think this team is as bad as were playing at the min. if as posted on other thread players want rid of two old squad players, lets take action and get it sorted. come on u wire
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| Quote ="gzus"eusa_clap.gif
He's a professional who gets paid for his actions.
We are fans who pay for ours
(I did not move to the wall)'"
I went the game I just felt let down by the whole team club etc!! I didnt see anyone go to the wall until king made his gesture...
I think its right the supporters having a go at the team because its just not good enough, people are struggling to hold jobs down travel 400 miles to watch that you cant expect them not to be angry come on!! 60-8
Certain people deal with it in different ways some may walk away then have a rant in the car on the way home some people may shout at the players on the pitch I think if fans have paid good money to watch that they have the right to do what they want!
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| Quote ="fast_pug"I went the game I just felt let down by the whole team club etc!! I didnt see anyone go to the wall until king made his gesture...
I think its right the supporters having a go at the team because its just not good enough, people are struggling to hold jobs down travel 400 miles to watch that you cant expect them not to be angry come on!! 60-8
Certain people deal with it in different ways some may walk away then have a rant in the car on the way home some people may shout at the players on the pitch I think if fans have paid good money to watch that they have the right to do what they want!'"
booing maybe, verbal abuse no, would you put up with it in ur profession, money doesnt give the right to abuse. why not give the next game a miss and hit the club in the pocket, u will need others to do the same for it to have any effect. but in my opinion this club has put in place a proven coach maybe its now time for the fans to give mr smith as much help as we can, and hard as it might be, lets not get on the teams or individual players backs and be the 18 man get behind and encourage the tram try to give them some confidence back u never know it might just help, come on u wire
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| Quote ="stubblesteve"doesnt give them the right to run to the wall, tell u what we should make the grounds kid free zones so the verbal abuse can be carried out without upsetting anyone, as said dont agree with booing but can understand fans frustration, what I dont agree with is the targetting of individual players and hurling abuse at them, also didnt agree with kings reaction but can understand his frustration. he wasnt the worst player on that pitch. it was a very poor team effort. but hey lets not give credit to the Quins. Well done Quins good win
, just asking did any fans wait for the players after the game to vent their frustrations as sometimes happens'" no body ran to the wall until he jestured and i think they have a right to vent their frustration having just spent the best part of £50 going there
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| King can't win with you lot. Last couple of weeks everyone was on his back cos he was putting on his 'professional face' and smiling with the opposition, shaking hands. But of course he was taking the mick out of our 'loyal fans' by doing that. This week the guy lets his facade slip, lets his emotions get the better of him and reacts (stupidly of course) and now fans do not have the balls to think to themselves 'well at least there is a little passion' there.
King, although not lived up to expectations, has lost all confidence (and don't spout all that he's a professional and shouldn't do that rubbish). Despite what fans think he is not the big prob. Give him decent service, he will deliver the tries.
As per usual we have to find someone to blame.
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| Quote ="the original stevo"no body ran to the wall until he jestured and i think they have a right to vent their frustration having just spent the best part of £50 going there'"
what I find worrying is fans still think spending money gives them the right to verbally abuse team / players? doesnt happen in other professions, and not talking about booing but the personal abuse, and as said before in front of some very young finds or have we no rights considering we spent our hard earned cash getting there, will even accept odd swear word will slip out with frustration, abuse doesnt
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| Quote ="NCB"King can't win with you lot. Last couple of weeks everyone was on his back cos he was putting on his 'professional face' and smiling with the opposition, shaking hands. But of course he was taking the mick out of our 'loyal fans' by doing that. This week the guy lets his facade slip, lets his emotions get the better of him and reacts (stupidly of course) and now fans do not have the balls to think to themselves 'well at least there is a little passion' there.
King, although not lived up to expectations, has lost all confidence (and don't spout all that he's a professional and shouldn't do that rubbish). Despite what fans think he is not the big prob. Give him decent service, he will deliver the tries.
As per usual we have to find someone to blame.'" he is paid like all the team to play and entertain as is all the team the majority did neither and the fans have the right to vent their frustration king at the time was unfortunatey nearest to the fans he should rise above do you think it is acceptable that he gives "gestures" to the people whom in effect pay his wages i'm sure if you went to work monday and if your boss critised you and you called him a barclays banker you would be collecting your p45 i don't condone the verbals but in the current finacial climate you can understand
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| Let's deal with the facts here.
Matt King is an employee of Warrington RLFC and the supporters are paying customers.
Staff who work for me are often faced with personal abuse from disgruntled customers. However, if any of them turned around and told the customer to "!@*# off" they'd be sacked for gross misconduct - whatever the provocation. What's happened here is no different and a failure to act will only make matters worse.
FWIW I think you should get behind the team whilst they're on the pitch. After the final whistle if you want to boo or voice your displeasure at [ithe team [/ithat's your choice, personal insults are not going to improve a player's performance. It's a team game, and we ain't playing anything like a team.
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Let's deal with the facts here.
Matt King is an employee of Warrington RLFC and the supporters are paying customers.
Staff who work for me are often faced with personal abuse from disgruntled customers. However, if any of them turned around and told the customer to "!@*# off" they'd be sacked for gross misconduct - whatever the provocation. What's happened here is no different and a failure to act will only make matters worse.
FWIW I think you should get behind the team whilst they're on the pitch. After the final whistle if you want to boo or voice your displeasure at [ithe team [/ithat's your choice, personal insults are not going to improve a player's performance. It's a team game, and we ain't playing anything like a team.'"
whats your profession and do u agree with your staff getting personel abuse, what do you do to protect your staff from this, the old saying two wrongs dont make it right. no one in whatever profession should be subject to abuse,
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| get back t auz king shows how much he respects us fan we travveled all the way to London to watch that $*** i think we do have the right to boo, no part time supporter who checked the scores on telytext and didnt bother to go is going to tell me otherwise !!!
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| Quote ="stubblesteve"whats your profession and do u agree with your staff getting personel abuse, what do you do to protect your staff from this, the old saying two wrongs dont make it right. no one in whatever profession should be subject to abuse,
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For the record Stubblesteve, I do not agree with my staff receiving personal abuse at all. I find it quite disturbing you would think anyone would agree with their staff being abused. We have full measures in place to address this issue.
The point here is that as a representative of any company you may receive abuse - it's how you deal with it is the measure of both you as an individual and your company as a responsible employer.
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| The ref & linesmen get verbal abuse every single week from every fan in RL you don't see them giving it back do you????
Smith needs to nip this in the bud & send him home & if his mate mona's wants to go let him go if he's not happy no point him being here is there..?
I also think morley isnt a captain maybe its time for a change
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| Quote ="fast_pug"The ref & linesmen get verbal abuse every single week from every fan in RL you don't see them giving it back do you????
Smith needs to nip this in the bud & send him home & if his mate mona's wants to go let him go if he's not happy no point him being here is there..?
I also think morley isnt a captain maybe its time for a change'"
Christ, we are scraping the barrell now.
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| Quote ="sirlesboyd"I am delighted that a player finally gesticulated to our "supporters" after being subjected to abuse.
So please get off your high horses about him showing the finger. The behaviour of a fair number of individuals on this forum and at the ground is far worse than Matt Kings actions.
I wish that a couple of seasons ago Mike Wainwright had given the fans the old two fingered salute after the constant criticism he took or Jon Clarke had after the abuse directed his way.
How supporters expect players to perform to the best of their ability whilst being subjected to the barrage of criticism they constantly receive from Warrington fans is beyond me.
So lets continue in this vein shall we ... lets boo King onto the pitch next week because thats sure to make him perform better. Lets abuse Monaghan during the game because its really going to improve his performance isnt it.
And lets all boo the team if they concede the first try of the match next week as seems to now be the norm.
So, fair play to you Ma tt King - I'd love to stick 2 fingers up to a number of Warrington fans as well.'"
Finally, well said that man, I'm in 100% agreement
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| i was there yesterday and nobody deserves the abuse that was targeted at king there was 12 others on that pitch and he was nowhere near the worse in fact the majority of tries went in under the sticks was that is fault
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| King was nowhere near the worst Wire player yesterday, and it was a little shocking how much of scapegoat some have made him. I didn't see any hand gestures, but I did see one incident in the second half where a p1sshead ran over to the wall close to where he was standing and gave him a mouthful of abuse, to which he said something back. After there several more p1ssheads tried doing the same.
I can understand the disappointment, but I really don't think the level of abuse coming from some Wire fans is going to make it better, besides making a scapegoat out of King is misguided, at least he tried.
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| my point exactly he was nowhere near the worst player on the pitch, didnt deserve the attention he was getting, must admit smith has a massive job on his hands, hope he's up to it. line in the sand lets try and help mr smith by doing our bit again, lets get behind the team for the full 80 mins and save any reactions till the end. come on you w ire
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| I wondered what that was all about - I missed the hand gesture but did see the moron running over to the rail to shout abuse at him.
The whole thing is totally out of order - King was still trying hard to the end more than could be said for some.Hicks in particular looked like he couldn't be bothered - bottling collecting the kick through for Quins penultimate try.
I actually felt sorry for him to be honest - he doesn't deserve that. And I don't think that just because you pay your money means that you can behave like that.
Also - I saw one bloke with a busted nose at half time. Overhearing urinal chat - it sounded like one of our own fans had smacked him. Does anyone know what that was all about?
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| King is uffering because when you signed him he was a current Aussie test player with a big rep. From what I've seen of Warrington he has recieved little to no service out wide so I'm not sure what you expect him to do. When I first saw Monaghan I was impressed, I thought he looked a decent signing for you lot but maybe he just cant form a partnership with briers??
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"King is uffering because when you signed him he was a current Aussie test player with a big rep. From what I've seen of Warrington he has recieved little to no service out wide so I'm not sure what you expect him to do. When I first saw Monaghan I was impressed, I thought he looked a decent signing for you lot but maybe he just cant form a partnership with briers??'"
Maybe it's him that is the real culprit in all of this?
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