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| Quote ="magic piano"Decided to transfer this to the proper thread for this discussion...
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I'd agree with all the above.
Lots of people love to 'point out' that the RFL are 'corrupt' without offering an example as to when this corruption manifested itself. They may be incompetent on occasion but they're not corrupt.
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| Quote ="magic piano"Decided to transfer this to the proper thread for this discussion...
OK - Wigan's salary cap issue while not necessarily the best thing ever to happen to SL, to call the RFL corrupt because of how they dealt with the issue is taking it too far. Naive perhaps in thinking they could punish a team under one set of rules for a transgression that took place under a previous set of rules. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that the Pies were legally advised as to the nature of their defence & I would imagine the RFL would have received legal advice as to the appropriate nature of the punishment. Yes it was inconvenient to us, but was it fair & just to punish Wigan a season too late for an offence? Probably not & realistically the current "in-season" monitoring of the cap is the best way IMO.
Why would you have Doncaster, Featherstone, Halifax ahead of Celtic in your race for a franchise? Because they are in the M62 corridor? Are you really going to get more fans on a regular basis going to watch Fev v Widnes or Celtic v Widnes? I suspect it will be pretty similar. Developing the areas outside the heartlands of the M62 corridor is essential to the long-term future of our game in the face of challenges from RU, football & the like - players coming through from Wales, Scotland, North East, South of Widnes & Ireland all deserve an opportunity to grow & develop playing the game & that takes place better with a top flight team & that is only good for the game but takes time to come through - there are 7 overseas players in the Harlequins squad this season (including Frenchman Julien Rinaldi) against our own 6!
Catalans relegation issue was one that was known & agreed as they entered the league. I'm not saying it was the fairest thing ever to happen to Widnes, but corrupt? No.
Incidentally, attendances at the HJ this season have seen fewer at the Quins & Cas games than at the Catalans. The attendance for Catalans being within a couple of hundred of those for Huddersfield & Wakefield, within 80 of that for the Hull KR game & nearly a thousand more than that for Bradford. That kind of blows your attendance argument out of the water doesn't it?
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| Quote ="Ian*77"I'd agree with all the above.
Lots of people love to 'point out' that the RFL are 'corrupt' without offering an example as to when this corruption manifested itself. They may be incompetent on occasion but they're not corrupt.'"
I don't think they're inompotent, more naive. The RFL act in the best interests of the game as a whole, whilst the clubs act in their own interests first, and the game, a distant second.
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| Quote ="St Pincent"Ask Gleeson he might tell you'"
They forget about that pal.
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| Celtic and Salford will be in me thinks, and i predict Celtic to be non-existant within 3 seasons.
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| Quote ="One mixture please"Celtic and Salford will be in me thinks, and i predict Celtic to be non-existant within 3 seasons.'"
Nah wont the rfl bail them out like they did many times with london/quins
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| Quote ="Supermole"Nah wont the rfl bail them out like they did many times with london/quins'" But not Widnes why i ask ?
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| Quote ="padgate wire"But not Widnes why i ask ?'"
Dont know to be honest maybe the rfl have lost the love for the heartland of rugby league!
anyway i think Celtic and Salford will get in!
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| Quote ="Supermole"Nah wont the rfl bail them out like they did many times with london/quins'"
Todays made up fact.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"It is my understanding that Salford are already on site, although work has stopped due to items of archaelogical interest have been found. '"
Correct, my team at work is the PQS on it.
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| Quote ="Lefty"Todays made up fact.'"
i may be wrong with this but i thought that the rfl helped out the london broncos as they were struggling off the field and cancelled some debts owed to them! Thats when they changed there names to quins!
As i said i maybe wrong infact i probably am but please be nice i am still quite new to rugby league after only watching the game for 3/4 years
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| Quote ="Supermole"i may be wrong with this but i thought that the rfl helped out the london broncos as they were struggling off the field and cancelled some debts owed to them! Thats when they changed there names to quins!
As i said i maybe wrong infact i probably am but please be nice i am still quite new to rugby league after only watching the game for 3/4 years'"
you're wrong.
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| Quote ="Cattastic"you're wrong.'"
ok thanks thats put me in my place like i said i am relativley new to the sport!
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| Quote ="Supermole"ok thanks thats put me in my place
like i said i am relativley new to the sport!'"
wouldn't worry about it, there's plenty of longstanding rugby league speccies get that wrong about the broncos, quite a lot on purpose.
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Quote ="Supermole"ok thanks thats put me in my place
like i said i am relativley new to the sport!'"
Here is the meat on the bones. You weren't so much wrong as incorrect.
It had nothing to do with the RFL.
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/ma ... perleaguex
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like i said i am relativley new to the sport!'"
Here is the meat on the bones. You weren't so much wrong as incorrect.
It had nothing to do with the RFL.
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/ma ... perleaguex
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thanks for this i now have a better understanding
i seem to remember this happening i just got a little confused thinking it was the rfl that bailed out
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thanks for this i now have a better understanding
i seem to remember this happening i just got a little confused thinking it was the rfl that bailed out
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| Quote ="Supermole"thanks for this i now have a better understanding
i seem to remember this happening i just got a little confused thinking it was the rfl that bailed out'"
Don't worry, as said above, lots of people who were RL fans at the time still don't understand it. They seem to think that 'SL clubs voting between them with the backing of the RFL to allow the Broncos to continue as a SL club' somehow equals 'the RFL are corrupt and gave them loads of money'. To those with even half a brain, it obviously doesn't.
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| Quote ="SEB"Don't worry, as said above, lots of people who were RL fans at the time still don't understand it. They seem to think that 'SL clubs voting between them with the backing of the RFL to allow the Broncos to continue as a SL club' somehow equals 'the RFL are corrupt and gave them loads of money'. To those with even a tenth of a brain, it obviously doesn't.'"
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"That's what the neanderthals said about Catalan.'"
Disagree with the strategy of expansionism and you are a nenaderthal hey? Doesnt sound like a sophisticated argument to me, infact its almost neanderthal.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Disagree with the strategy of expansionism and you are a nenaderthal hey? Doesnt sound like a sophisticated argument to me, infact its almost neanderthal.
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Or, perhaps the blind fear of expansion without a rational argument makes you a neanderthal?
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| Quote ="SEB"Or, perhaps the blind fear of expansion without a rational argument makes you a neanderthal?'"
It'll never work! Catalans make the CC Final after two seasons.
It'll never work! Catalans firmly ensconced in third and in a rich vein of form heading towards the play-offs.
Keep it to the M62 corridor, it's heartlands where we can all in each others pockets.
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| Have to say all 12 SL Teams with Celtic and Salford. Would love Widnes to get one but their crowds and on pitch performances arent good enough.
"Murryfield Magic Games"
Leeds vs Stains
Wire vs Wigan
Quins vs Bradford
Catalan vs Hudds
Cas vs Wakey
Celtic vs Salford
Hull vs Hull KR
All Evenly matched games IMO (With Exception to Wakey vs Cas only based on this years games)
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| Good except would have Cats V Bradford and Quins V Hudds
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"It'll never work! Catalans make the CC Final after two seasons.
It'll never work! Catalans firmly ensconced in third and in a rich vein of form heading towards the play-offs.
Keep it to the M62 corridor, it's heartlands where we can all mickey in each others pockets.'"
I think the success of catalans shows that franchise will work
Teams will build for the future knowing that they have at least three years of super league money behind them!
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| Quote ="Briers Is God"Good except would have Cats V Bradford and Quins V Hudds'"
I had Cats vs Bradford, but for some reasn changed it...
Would agree with changing them to that...
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