People make out Wigan are fitter, they are not fitter, that 9-12 seconds in the ruck helps them last longer.

and there, ninearches, you've summed it up perfectly in your second sentence.

Wigan play some delightful rugby, that's as easy on the eye as us or Saints. That flowing move they always seem to do when (Sky cameras are there) they are attacking from right to left, and the ball just glides from hand to hand, and invariably ends up in a try in the corner for Charnley to stroll in at the corner. It's great to watch.
They just let themselves down with
a) constant holding down in the tackle. You were used to that, when the likes of Swinton/Workington/Hunslet came in the mid 80's, and just spoilt all game, so they only got beat by 40odd, instead of 60odd
b) constant cheapshots. Yes, all teams do it, just not repeatedly, and
c) these highly dangerous chickenwing/cannonball "tackles" that Wane's been involved with for the last few seasons.
I find it difficult to understand his "I'll stand by Flower" comments he's given to the media since last night. Then I remembered....he's Shaun Wane, and he pointblank refuses to admit to anything.

There's a fine line bordering telling your team to "get in the opposition's faces" in the opening exchanges (like Saints did to them on the opening tackle..............that's what I LOVE about our sport), to going out and carrying out acts of violence (that's what I hate about our sport).

Wigan got what they deserved....losers medals.

But don't you think maybe Warrington lack some of those things and thats why we weren't in the Grand Final.

Last week there were a lot of threads about how we needed someone with more 'mongrel' in the team and it would be good to have had Gareth Hock to bring on midway through the first half when we were being bullied by the Wigan pack.

And then threads saying we should sign Hock for next season, TS could get the best out of him.

What is it that we expect Hock would bring? I don't think it's going to be calm inspirational leadership is it.

Hock would bring us stuff like Flower brought Wigan. Get in an opponents face, intimidate him and smash his face in. If people can't handle that and want to moralise about what Flower did then I suggest we don't sign Hock else there is going to be outrage on here next year when the first Hock 'incident' happens.

...and there, I agree with you, Sally.

We've not had any "mongrel" in us for YEARS
Yes, Morley NEVER took a backward step for us, but, he's toned his act down, a la Boyd in the 80's.
Carvell was a beast, but never a nasty bugger. Just a beast.
Woody never had that to his game. Likewise Hill.

We need a bit of "edge", but on the right side of legal. Hopefully, we'll get that with Sims.

Hock is just an absolute no-no. His cards marked with EVERYONE.
He's gone past the pantomime villain stage. Pantomime villains don't gouge, or charge (twice) into referees. He's an accident waiting to happen, and I for one, hope we swerve him, despite what a great player he CAN be.

Let's get one thing straight. I DON'T WANT OUR PLAYERS SMASHING OTHER'S FACES IN. I want us to win hard, but fair. I can cope with (just about) boring, but fair, just not illegal.

Mrs Goldblatt just asked me what happened in the rugby last night, as she missed the game. I "undeleted" the Skybox and showed her the opening 3 mins of last nights match. Bearing in mind she was a Wilderspool regular in the 90's, she was a little aghast as to last night's events.

Well thats true, when we had Morley and Carvell in the team, nobody was complaining that we needed someone like Hock to stop us getting 'bullied'.

I don't remember ever hearing any Wire fans complaining about us being bullied when we had Morley and Carvell and they didn't go round smashing peoples faces in.

I would also have been interested to see how Ben Flower would have reacted if the wild forearm from Hohaia had come from Morley or Carvell. Everyone says he saw the red mist, he "didn't have time to think before he reacted".I bet he would have had time to think if he was tempted to smash either of those two in the face.

I am conscious that replying to your own post on an internet forum on a Saturday night isn't necessarily a healthy sign, but during the Eng v Samoa game today it was good to see a split screen when they showed a replay and play was continuing. Please do this next season too Sky.

Completely agree

I like that the sky team are at least in time with the commentary and the picture on view. Unlike Premier/BBC where the commentary was 2 secs ahead of the action!

....speaking of commentary I'd swap Vossy for Eddie but no way would I trade Stevo for Sterling....he is complete shat. 
On 2 or 3 occasions Stirling eluding to the lightness of the ball as an excuse for the Aussie defeat!!!
Perhaps it was full of helium?
Perhaps the ballboys had been nobbled to switch the ball depending on who was in attack.
(any reference to Brian Noble being a part of operation yew tree is purely incidental)

Have I missed it or was there no SL Season Review on Sky this year? I usually enjoy watching it over the holiday as a taster for the new season

Cutbacks on BskyB I think.
The SL Chatback was definitely cut but it wasn't a big budget programme so perhaps I'm talk poop.

Has anyone else seen the "Sport that matters" Sky Sports advertisement. Shows all the upcoming (2015) sporting events/series with one exception?

I've seen that. One of Skys biggest potentials and the second most watched sport I think? Just proves no one cares about us.

I have just found the review and super tries on catch up TV.....

Where did you find this? Help please?
pete

Rugby league is a regular omission from sky's advertising & has been for the last 2 or 3 years.

Just under catchup TV》sky sports》rugby league. Downloaded them.

.....don't get too excited they total about ten minutes running time lol

Good to see the main Sky Sports Twitter feed doing a countdown to the start of the season with videos. Our very own Joel Monaghan is the star of today's video! https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/560517493681176576

Good to see the main Sky Sports Twitter feed doing a countdown to the start of the season with videos. Our very own Joel Monaghan is the star of today's video! https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/560517493681176576

SL 2015

here we go....

come on Widnes

Fully supporting James Child in this game since I don't want any of the teams to win.

Pies back to the tactics of take out the play maker.

Nothing wrong with that hit.

Never a red card, that.

If thats a red then this season is going to be crap

T'other thread lads