I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....

erm, I thought...,,er,,, having see their propaganda.... er.... muslim state.. You playing devils' again?

If we ever meet lets stick to talking about our joint love of the Wire eh? your political nous is akin to a schoolkids or worse still you believe what you type which would be frightening.

Spoil the ballot (put a cross in every box). Won't count as a vote but will record that you voted

Quite agree. Making the point by turning up. I read that spoilt papers were at a record high this year "may icluding offensive comments" fair do's. I would rather ed off voters did this than vote for fascist idiots to make their point.

No, I'm pointing out that there's a difference between ideologies of racial supremacy and ideologies of separatism and anti-immigration.

The BNP's manifesto policies are the second rather than the first although where the situation gets murky is that some of their big fish individuals have come from a racial supremacy background.

In every left wing organisation you will get some hard line Trotskyists who are secretly hoping to take their own agenda further than the organisation intends, and in every right wing organisation you will get some racial supremacists. Usually the type who go out of their way to discuss how much exaggerated the Holocaust was.

I don't think its a major disaster when the BNP take some seats because over time the more they become integrated into the political system the more they lose their anti-establishment rebel appeal. Most of their support is based around white van man who reads the papers and hates immigrants. If the BNP ended up taking a local council, then white van man isn't going to care about his councillors arguments to prove the Holocaust was a lie, he's going to be complaining when his bins aren't collected and the council's not run well, he will end up saying "BNP are just as bad as the bloody rest of them" and either find another anti-establishment party to vote for or more likely not bother voting altogether.

Fringe parties only tend to have appeal when they are on the outside shouting, once they get in the system it becomes harder to criticise it.

I was pulling your leg, hence the smiley. I've met you a number of times and always thought you were a decent guy. We just share different political views.

Tache in 'different view cue insult' shocker

Is the BNP becoming a real alternative in local government a theory or one you believe will happen in the near future?

The BNP ideology of seperatism does tickle me though. We are as much a mongrel nation as any other, albeit with slight longer blood lines.

For all those wringing their hands at the BNP getting a couple of seats, whilst not being bothered to vote themselves (and I include myself in this), remember this:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" _ Edward Burke

As has been mentioned elsewhere; rights come with responsibilites. It is easy to forget that, with the amount of freedom we have.

If you look at the BNP policies a lot of them are simple common sense and many would agree with them. However, they would not agree with what is the underlying motivation behind why they put the policies forward. You suspect that it is a thin veneer of respectability (the two MEPs are very plausible and speak well) and if you dig deeper you would uncover their murky underbelly.

Shame really as many of the issues should be openly discussed without fear of being labelled 'racist'.

i actually think you are alright it's just when politics pop up on here in the past you have come across a bit sanctamoniously,not everyone maybe as fortunate as you no matter how hard they work for it,rather than concentrate on things like a choice of health provider why not comment on how lucky we are to have a national health service in this country,i have paid for private healthcare in the past,that saved me a 6 month wait for surgery but cost me a considerable sum.
why we contiually drum the nhs down in this country is beyond me after all if you get hurt in the home,workplace or on the roads it will be the nhs that comes in your hour of need not bupa.
if you think that the minimum wage is a bad idea then why don't you try to live on it then?
isn't our society all about helping individuals better themselves or helping the more unfortunates,the tory party have flown in the face of this during it's entire duration.
i live a comfortable life,nobody has given me anything i've not worked for but i wouldn't want to live it at the expense of somebody else.

Tache I appreciate the reply. It's not that I am sactimonious nor particularily fortunate, it's just I take a different view.

I believe the private sector is more efficient than public sector by virtue of the motivations behind each ideology. I am a believer in health care free at the point of need, but this does not need to mean it is delivered by a public organisation. I would rather have competing private enterprise engaged by the government to deliver the service, and for me, to have the choice of which organisation to use. The same applies for education. We only need to look at the how privatisation has enabled greater choice and service to the consumer. A classic example of this was the privatisation of BT. Prior to privatisation you had to wait weeks to get a new line and one company had the monopoly. Through competition and efficiency we now have a wide range of potential suppliers and a higher level of service. Same goes for gas, electricity and water.

I do not believe in the minimum wage as I do not like the state interferring in the private sector. I would rather market forces apply such that each person is paid according to their worth with the choice of course that they do not have to take the job if they do not wish to.

I believe in the power of the individual to develop, grow and achieve with the state existing to enable them to do so, not reigning them back by over taxation and beaurocracy. Remember whilst I am against minimum wage, I'm also for lower taxation and choice.

I am a true egalitarian and wish everyone to be able to succeed regardless of background, race, disability or sex. If pushed I actually would prefer to see people from working class backgrounds be encouraged more to start businesses and succeed, just like they did under Thatcher.

"I don't need you, I already have your [url=http://youth.bnp.org.uk/mission-statementchildren[/url"

no probs mate,everyone has different views.

Then we border on slavery and sweatshops, don't we?



If pushed? Meaning you wouldn't want to see them to do so if you weren't 'pushed'?



Like being encouraged to buy your council house?

Quote ="Vernonwire"I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....'" Good article - it's here www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 382505.ece

Quote ="Vernonwire"I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....'" Good article - it's here www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 382505.ece

Go on son with your White power and all that......


then youve got to love old men that dress up in Nazi costumes havent you....?
at Least When Prince Harry did it it was for a party and When Max mosley didnt do it

he was getting his backside spanked by prozzies.....

but its a free country vote for em....

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Slavery Point - No. As the economy develops, people develop and have more choice. Enterprise then needs to pay more and more competitive wages to attract the right employees. The wealthier the employee, the more the economy develops and so on. This drives up the wage standard.

Pushed. No. As an egalitarian I should be class and background neutral but in truth I do actually prefer to see someone on the bones of their get on in the world and succeed more than I would someone born into more advantaged backgrounds. i.e) I respect Theo Paphitis (who came to this country with nothing) a hell of a lot more than Stelios (who was the son of a billionaire shipping magnate) for example.

Council House I support the ability for people to purchase their own property so long as the revenues generated by this are used to develop other council accomodation.

That's a lovely sentiment but in the real world that just doesn't happen. I seem to remember everbody's wages going up a lot when the minimum wage was brought in.

My personal view is that i would prefer a meritocracy it seems the most logical way of governance. What would your view be on that my good sir?

Their philosophy is that the ethnicity of our nation is fundamentally northern european caucasoids with more recent (last 500 years) being typically Christian in origin, so not at all mongrel. This nation was created over thousands of years of steady immigration. They just don't believe in recent (post 1950's) mass immigration from outside of that ethnic background as they believe it damages the fabric and culture of Englishness. Whilst I'm not a supporter, I do struggle to see much upside in the ethnic ghettos we have created in our cities and towns.

Secular society, the way forward.

Amen to that.

I like george carlins view on religion. If you've never seen him. You tube 'religion is bulls***'

We do have a diversity of immigrants, granted primarily European, initially Roman, then Northern European; Vikings and Normans. You could argue our blood lines go back to Central Europe, those of olive skin. What does that make us? Hardly on a par with Scandinavians.

The comment recent immigration introduces a whole new slant; do you believe post-WW2 Britain could have been rebuilt without immigrants? Personally, I don't.

There can be no argument about the ghettos, althouigh I think your terminology is a bit strong. But surely this is a political, social and cultural issue, it needs to be addressed on all fronts. A simple; different ethnicity doesn't mix doesn't wash with me.